boost brothers turbo

[1lowtoy]

Par for the course, right?

 

[Full_Tilt]

It's not, we dont have a map lol, we have a maf and frps.


I have a feeling he was part of the tuner crowd before he came here...

I played around with domestics long before I was ever invloved with imports, as for "tuner crowd" I find that phrase extremely disrespectful. I have quite a bit of tuning experience, and by tuning I mean the tuning of electronic fuel injection systems, not bolting on some parts like some ricer. But thats besides the point.
I belive the MAP is built into the MAS, and assumed that if you were going to turbo one of these engines you would use a blow through MAS, but maybe Im incorrect. Sorry to mislead the OP.

That being said, if the engine has no way of running on speed density on the factory EMS, I would be looking at aftermarket EMS for any kind of turbo setup. Its not like a supercharger.
Ive worked with an owned aftermarket turbocharged cars using a draw through MAF and its garbage compared to speed density tuning and prone to erradic changes that can not simply be compensated for by IAT correction.


But anyway, like I said, sorry to mislead anybody, I will admit Im out of my element here.

I still stand by that chinese turbos are well worth the price. Im sure many of you have heard of Croky Bell, the author of maximum boost. If you go ask him about his opinion on these chinese turbos he will tell you how he has take apart a number of them and found their tolerances to be all within spec of Garrett turbos.
I cannot verify these claims, but I know of litterally hundreds of people who have run chinese turbos for extended periods of time under extreme abuse.
Dont assume they shit just because theyre made in china (so are Garrett turbos btw...), they have the manufacturing power to pull this stuff off just as well as we can in the US. Tech support is another matter....

 

[JeremyH]

Its just that alot of bad info gets spread around when guys who know alot about a subject try to mix that in with a new/different car they dont know as much about. No disrespect here just telling it like it is.

Our cars do not have a map at all. Map and maf do similar jobs but are very different things. Maps are really a thing of the past. The maf measures actual air flow to the engine and is most accurate in a blow-thru configuration obviosly. A map uses a vac line to the manifold and "guesses" air speed density based on manifold pressure/vac.

Our slot style mafs with built in iat's are light years ahead of a map and are about as good as it gets in a blow-thru power adder setup and do really good in a draw-thru setup as well. The slot maf is alot more versatile and accurate and easy to use on any application. More stable signal, thus easier to tune and driveability is alot better.

If you gonna stand by the knockoff parts, I just wouldnt do it literally lol, It would suck to be near that turbo when it explodes. Its not so much the tolerances its the materials and manufacturing processes that arent inspected and mandated. I mean that turbo literaly looks like plasty coated metal. yeah on an intial quick test it will pass the specs/tolerance, but longevity and quality are the issue here. Its just been proven too many times to ignore for most.

I will gladly pay $1,000 dollars for a name brand proven turbo built in the usa. Than $100 dollars for a turbo made in an unamed factory, god knows where for someone who is happy with making 50 cents an hour. And dont give a shit if their products fail when stupid americans buy it.

 

[killswitch06GT]

Hmmm. Anyone hear anything good about the on3 70mm turbo?

 

[Towelly]

Hmmm. Anyone hear anything good about the on3 70mm turbo?

LOL

 

[fdjizm]

Hmmm. Anyone hear anything good about the on3 70mm turbo?

search. lol

 

[Fallenauthority]

The amount of off-brand haters does not surprise me. However a lot of these "china" turbos have been used successfully in other applications many times, shit I remember there was a car a few years back, it was a 1g dsm built by AMS and it had a master power turbo, it ran LOW 11's for a couple years, never heard of him having an issue with his turbo. There's a lot of success stories out there, unfortunately there is also a lot of bad stories of "I've heard", "my brothers friends sisters mothers boyfriends cousin knew someone who had one blow up". Shit I myself will be using an ON3 kit with all its original components, will I be mad if the turbo blows up? Nope, cause its cheap, if it blows up I will just buy a precision or borg warner and keep on keepin on.

 

[1lowtoy]

This is more along the lines of the failure I would be afraid of. This is a Boost Brothers 67mm.

I haven't had any problems with the Master Power turbos and I look at them as an entry level turbo. A Master Power turbo new cost more than half of a Boost Brothers kit.

 

[Fallenauthority]

I personally haven't seen a boost brothers turbo so I can't vouch for quality but like I said master power is a brand I would trust.

 

[killswitch06GT]

search. lol

Why would asking that make me a asshat? I can see if I started a thread to ask that question but I didn't. It takes the same amount of energy to just help rather than insult me.

 

[killswitch06GT]

I personally haven't seen a boost brothers turbo so I can't vouch for quality but like I said master power is a brand I would trust.

I actually don't think it's a boost bros turbo. But one from relentless performance. They bought out boost brothers apparently. Here's a pic of it

 

[1lowtoy]

I actually don't think it's a boost bros turbo. But one from relentless performance. They bought out boost brothers apparently. Here's a pic of it

Best of luck to you and your engine.

 

[JeremyH]

Hmmm. Anyone hear anything good about the on3 70mm turbo?

There are a few guys here running the 70mm turbo in the on3 kit, some of them "upgrade" to the master power 70mm. If you search you can find their threads.

 

[JeremyH]

I personally haven't seen a boost brothers turbo so I can't vouch for quality but like I said master power is a brand I would trust.

Master power seems to be a cheap entry level turbo that does good.

They just dont perform good. They arent spooling up till around 4500-5000rpms.

I actually don't think it's a boost bros turbo. But one from relentless performance. They bought out boost brothers apparently. Here's a pic of it

Dont be fooled, relentless perfromance is boost brothers!

They changed their name because their turbo kits had such a bad rap! lol


Funniest thing is it actually worked for them.

Best of luck to you and your engine.

What he said!

 

[killswitch06GT]

Yeh we Rnt usin that turbo

 

[killswitch06GT]

Lito this is the Maf housing on the intake same as turbonetics.

 

[WOT]

How's the install coming along?

 

[Speed+Clinic]

Its just that alot of bad info gets spread around when guys who know alot about a subject try to mix that in with a new/different car they dont know as much about. No disrespect here just telling it like it is.

Our cars do not have a map at all. Map and maf do similar jobs but are very different things. Maps are really a thing of the past. The maf measures actual air flow to the engine and is most accurate in a blow-thru configuration obviosly. A map uses a vac line to the manifold and "guesses" air speed density based on manifold pressure/vac.

Our slot style mafs with built in iat's are light years ahead of a map and are about as good as it gets in a blow-thru power adder setup and do really good in a draw-thru setup as well. The slot maf is alot more versatile and accurate and easy to use on any application. More stable signal, thus easier to tune and driveability is alot better.

If you gonna stand by the knockoff parts, I just wouldnt do it literally lol, It would suck to be near that turbo when it explodes. Its not so much the tolerances its the materials and manufacturing processes that arent inspected and mandated. I mean that turbo literaly looks like plasty coated metal. yeah on an intial quick test it will pass the specs/tolerance, but longevity and quality are the issue here. Its just been proven too many times to ignore for most.

I will gladly pay $1,000 dollars for a name brand proven turbo built in the usa. Than $100 dollars for a turbo made in an unamed factory, god knows where for someone who is happy with making 50 cents an hour. And dont give a shit if their products fail when stupid americans buy it.

Tunning by speed density is a step back. With a blow thru maf you count exactly how much air is going to the engine right now. Not by a pressure reading that can be changed with temperature and barometric pressure. I will say however I would tune with MAF but i would love to have the map for reference or to crosscheck...

The made in china turbo it all depends. Master power is not ur cheap made in china. They are actually decent. I have friends with made in china turbo that run good and I have a friend that bought the under $1k turbo kit for a 95 gt. Went thru 2 turbos on warranty and just sold the 3rd one they sent him and bought a garrett. No problems after. It is all luck... I would save for a master power if anything than going really cheap on a part that if it breaks sends metal to the engine.

As a side note as well: Most people buy a new turbo w/o needing to do so... Most kits bring a 60mm turbo which you can put a new compressor wheel and upgrade to 70mm because it fits on the housing. A 70mm wheel costs around $100 for an oem garrett one. Hell you can even put in a billet wheel and still save more than half of what you would waste on a new turbo.

 

[fdjizm]

Why would asking that make me a asshat? I can see if I started a thread to ask that question but I didn't. It takes the same amount of energy to just help rather than insult me.

No hard feelings lol

 

[killswitch06GT]

havent started the install yet but glad to say we dumped the bb turbo and are awaiting the 67mm precision from lightblade. Lito said he can tune it once its installed so i may go with him or this new guy i found here at BoltonPerformance in Arkansas. I believe its the same guy that tuned Abdullagt's