JeremyH
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The shim I ordered appears to be 1/8" thick.
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Bolts I used was a little bigger around than factory, fine thread and almost .25 of an inch longer. I had a bolt tray and just reached for what fit. lol sorry for lack of details.
one eyed willy
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what thickness shim?
So the tranny came out today and the Ford tech did the following measurements
Once flywheel is installed on engine, you can now remove (6) 3/8” rod nuts from the pressure plate studs. Re-assemble the clutch, checking the disc hubs and floater strap direction. You'll notice the blue alignment stripes on all parts must line-up. After installing bottom disc and floater plate, use a feeler gauge to check the clearance between them. .020-.025 should just slip in between. The bottom disc should just turn by hand with little front to back movement. This is checked with the flywheel turned up on its edge not lying flat, if too much gap is present (over .025) the floater will push the top disc into the pressure plate, eliminating release. If there is not enough release (less than .020) the bottom disc will drag on the flywheel and floater, and it will not release.
Our measurements are .018 vs the .020-.025 and that is after 1,000 miles.
The other thing that we saw is that the flywheel is clean on the inner 1/4. So it appears the disc isn't even making contact and their is a corresponding ridge on the disc where the flywheel is clean. We put a straight edge on the flywheel in a bunch of different ways and it is flat. The Ford tech stayed late (love the guy as he bust his ass for his customers!) and he was going to take the measurements according to the chart that was posted earlier on this thread. Not sure what he came up with. We are trying to figure out why the flywheel is clean on the inner portion. It is hard to think that the .018 measurement would/could cause the problem?
Once flywheel is installed on engine, you can now remove (6) 3/8” rod nuts from the pressure plate studs. Re-assemble the clutch, checking the disc hubs and floater strap direction. You'll notice the blue alignment stripes on all parts must line-up. After installing bottom disc and floater plate, use a feeler gauge to check the clearance between them. .020-.025 should just slip in between. The bottom disc should just turn by hand with little front to back movement. This is checked with the flywheel turned up on its edge not lying flat, if too much gap is present (over .025) the floater will push the top disc into the pressure plate, eliminating release. If there is not enough release (less than .020) the bottom disc will drag on the flywheel and floater, and it will not release.
Our measurements are .018 vs the .020-.025 and that is after 1,000 miles.
The other thing that we saw is that the flywheel is clean on the inner 1/4. So it appears the disc isn't even making contact and their is a corresponding ridge on the disc where the flywheel is clean. We put a straight edge on the flywheel in a bunch of different ways and it is flat. The Ford tech stayed late (love the guy as he bust his ass for his customers!) and he was going to take the measurements according to the chart that was posted earlier on this thread. Not sure what he came up with. We are trying to figure out why the flywheel is clean on the inner portion. It is hard to think that the .018 measurement would/could cause the problem?
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RAM-598/
0.156 of an inch I took actuall pics of it so you could get a better idea of how thick it really is. I believe they are a couple of pages back from this page.
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See pics
one eyed willy
Pizzle fo shizzle
so is that about 1/16th of a inch? sounds like it by the measurement but looks alot bigger.....and jeremy, yours is 1/8th?
.125 is an 1/8" so its a little thicker than that.
explict
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0.156 is basically 4mm.
It says steel in the description, is that SS or Mild steel I wonder? I also wonder if 3/16 steel would work. (0.1875)
I'm wondering all this so I can make some.
It says steel in the description, is that SS or Mild steel I wonder? I also wonder if 3/16 steel would work. (0.1875)
I'm wondering all this so I can make some.
I may have a TOB shim available. See my post above referencing the McLeod RST setup. When we talked with McLeod today they said that you have to have at least .020 clearance on the inner disc. Mine was .018 so we are shimming it to .023.
The tech did all of the Ram Oem slave setup measurements http://www.ramclutches.com/Instructions/Factory%20Hyd%20Setup.htm
and we have .700 of preload so we are good to go without the shim.
Seems like the problem was the McLeod setup. The tranny goes in tomorrow morning so I will post once we get it back running.
nope see my next post still not working correctly? WTF
The tech did all of the Ram Oem slave setup measurements http://www.ramclutches.com/Instructions/Factory%20Hyd%20Setup.htm
and we have .700 of preload so we are good to go without the shim.
Seems like the problem was the McLeod setup. The tranny goes in tomorrow morning so I will post once we get it back running.
nope see my next post still not working correctly? WTF
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Makes me wonder. I called ram and they knew so much and was very friendly. I call Mcloed and yes they gave me information but wasn't exactly willing to make me understand their knowledge. Keep in my I have purchased a rst and rxt and a flywheel from mcloed. All I bought from ram was a $14.99 spacer. I believe I am going to try a different route once this rxt goes. Chad05gt swears by Ram with a 6060.
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McLeod is losing some serious reputation over this. Pretty sad. They need to step up.
yeah all three times I have called McLeod and talked to either Billy or the other guy they have acted like I called their kid ugly or something. I have always been polite and professional to them but it wasn't so friendly the other way. It was like I was bothering them, heaven forbid I ask a question after dropping $700 on one of their clutches.
Update on McLeod customer service 6/9/2011. The Ford Tech got through and talked with Lee who was very helpful. He is going to walk the Ford tech through the install as soon as the new aluminum mcLeod flywheel arrives either tomorrow or monday. Here is the issue we are running into. The center cut out on the stock ford nodular flywheel is 7" which means the inner disc hangs over and does not make contact with the flywheel. The Exedy flywheel is 6 and 1/2" still not full contact between the disc and the flywheel. So I ordered a new mcleod flywheel (al) to try (drop shipping from mcleod next day). Lee thinks that we are getting some flex on the inner disc and it is causing some drag and not releasing correctly? Moral of the story I think is to use matching flywheel/clutches. Mixing and matching can be a recipe for a huge PITA!
We'll see tomorrow when the new flywheel arrives so I have a Ford Iron Flywheel that has been turned available and I will have an Exedy Lightweight Steel Flywheel for sale shortly. Man this has been an expensive fix. There goes my GT500 fuel system and my new aluminum DS.
Update on McLeod customer service 6/9/2011. The Ford Tech got through and talked with Lee who was very helpful. He is going to walk the Ford tech through the install as soon as the new aluminum mcLeod flywheel arrives either tomorrow or monday. Here is the issue we are running into. The center cut out on the stock ford nodular flywheel is 7" which means the inner disc hangs over and does not make contact with the flywheel. The Exedy flywheel is 6 and 1/2" still not full contact between the disc and the flywheel. So I ordered a new mcleod flywheel (al) to try (drop shipping from mcleod next day). Lee thinks that we are getting some flex on the inner disc and it is causing some drag and not releasing correctly? Moral of the story I think is to use matching flywheel/clutches. Mixing and matching can be a recipe for a huge PITA!
We'll see tomorrow when the new flywheel arrives so I have a Ford Iron Flywheel that has been turned available and I will have an Exedy Lightweight Steel Flywheel for sale shortly. Man this has been an expensive fix. There goes my GT500 fuel system and my new aluminum DS.
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19COBRA93
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No offense to anyone here, but half you guys don't have the hp to need a clutch like the ones mentioned. So why the hell are you spending $700-$1200 on these clutches when there are much cheaper and simpler clutches out there that will hold all the power you're making and then some?
The K.I.S.S. method could save some of you guys a LOT of time and $$$.
The K.I.S.S. method could save some of you guys a LOT of time and $$$.
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What would qualify for not enough? hehe
JeremyH
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Making 470 and yes maybe it isn't enough for the 800+ RST but then I have been through a couple of Spec 2+'s and I've heard others having issues with the Spec 3+, Mach 600/ P51 so I decided to go for something more robust. And when the time comes for more HP I will be ready.
explict
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Ya, my car is baby shit, it doesn't need an RXT.
GrnBullitt08
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Sad to read all this....
We are having the same issues with our McLeod RXT Clutch & Flywheel combo in our TT GT with a T-56 Magnum... We are using an adjustable pivot ball on the fork to try and make adjustments we started with an 1/8" adjustment but it looks like it gonna need a little more tweaking...
I know the T-56 is cable driven and different from the hydraulic TR6060s...but for $1,300 we didn't expect to run into this many issues.
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We are having the same issues with our McLeod RXT Clutch & Flywheel combo in our TT GT with a T-56 Magnum... We are using an adjustable pivot ball on the fork to try and make adjustments we started with an 1/8" adjustment but it looks like it gonna need a little more tweaking...
I know the T-56 is cable driven and different from the hydraulic TR6060s...but for $1,300 we didn't expect to run into this many issues.
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BruceH
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And here I am with no issues. TR-6060, RST, McLeod steel 6 bolt flywheel, 4.6, Ford slave from Ford dealer.
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