jroc07gt
its orange not yellow!!
what color s197 do you drive?
Getting S197's into the 12's
- Thread starter marcspaz
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what color s197 do you drive?
Wow, I wanna move to where you live if 260rwhp goes 12s! 12.90 on 230 rwhp, damn it just keeps getting better! If I move there I can run low 10s in my 08GT and high 6s in my 93 Fox!
Justin Burcham ran a 12.51 @ 108 mph with a CAI and a tune. If that will go 12.51, 260 is enough to get you into the 12's. Stop being a dumbass. Dumbass.Wow, I wanna move to where you live if 260rwhp goes 12s! 12.90 on 230 rwhp, damn it just keeps getting better! If I move there I can run low 10s in my 08GT and high 6s in my 93 Fox!
most of us need a bit more that that to get around 290-310hp,
especially in a daily driver at FULL weight...
but, that said, 300 hp in 3700lb daily driver w/ dr's on stock rims goes mid 12's all day.
especially in a daily driver at FULL weight...
but, that said, 300 hp in 3700lb daily driver w/ dr's on stock rims goes mid 12's all day.
JOK3R
forum member
The main problem here is that a lot of people refuse to believe things because they cannot do it themselves. No one likes feeling "inferior" or not good as the next guy, so there will be all sorts of justifications for anything that is "out of the ordinary" to what they are used to or to what they can do themselves.
Anyone ever hear of a man named Bob Cosby? Go look him up.
310 rwhp in a 3100 lb. 99 Cobra.
11.1's on BFG drag radials and some very basic suspension.
back to back NMRA Factory Stock Champ.
I have 2 personal experiences to share.
A friend of mine ran 13.8 @ 99 mph in a bone stock (down to the paper filter) 1994 Mustang GT 5-speed. Saw it with my own eyes. He posted about it on Stangnet and he was ripped to shreds. Even had it on video and they accused him of altering it or the ET was off. People refused to believe someone could run that well in that car.
Another friend of mine bought a 2004 GTO LS1 the month they first came out. Bone stock he ran 13.0 @ around 108 I believe. A lot of people weren't getting under 13.2 on drag radials. He posted about it on LS1.com and he was ripped to smitherines and called a liar.
Some people are great drivers, and then some people are goddamn magical.
There's my drawn out 2 cents.
KungFuHamster
forum member
Ahhhhhh....i love threads like this.
NotQuik
I can't drive
it's all in the driver...I think jok3r hit hte nail on the head.
but at one point in time, you will have two guys both driving tha fack out of the car and one will still be ahead of the other and that's where all these questions come into play and the disbeleif
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? Do you know anything about fuel, timing, and getting the most out of an explosion? It does not matter how hot the fuel burns.
Octane is a fuels ability to resist detonation due to compression rather than spark. The tighter you compress your fuel, the greater the explosion, and the more power you make. Race fuel allows you to get more aggressive with your timing, allowing you to get closer to TDC at the time of fire, in turn creating more power at fire. If you have low octane rated fuel, you have to back the timing off, which has less compression, and makes less power.
This is a very well known, well documented science. Look it up.
US-1
Banned
Oh goodie.......a fuel argument.
I've got the beer.....where's my nachos? Nachos rule.
I've got the beer.....where's my nachos? Nachos rule.
Wes
forum member
Some truth all around and some misinformation as well.
I've done some dyno testing and talking with individuals far smarter than myself and come up with a couple articles comparing race gas vs 93 on one particular combo.
http://www.tpsperformance.com/blog/2009/04/race-gas-a-study-at-the-edge-part-1/
http://www.tpsperformance.com/blog/2009/05/race-gas-a-study-at-the-edge-part-2/
These articles just scratch the surface of a very complicated subject.
Like anything in racing, this is obviously not one size fits all but it will help you get some actual data and legit tech on why your power won't increase as spark advance increases (even in the absence of knock).
Wes
I've done some dyno testing and talking with individuals far smarter than myself and come up with a couple articles comparing race gas vs 93 on one particular combo.
http://www.tpsperformance.com/blog/2009/04/race-gas-a-study-at-the-edge-part-1/
http://www.tpsperformance.com/blog/2009/05/race-gas-a-study-at-the-edge-part-2/
These articles just scratch the surface of a very complicated subject.
Like anything in racing, this is obviously not one size fits all but it will help you get some actual data and legit tech on why your power won't increase as spark advance increases (even in the absence of knock).
Wes
US-1
Banned
Oh come on, Wes........don't fuck it up with FACTUAL DATA!!! I was sooooo looking forward to the retarded arguments that were going to ensue.
Damn...I can't have any fun.
Damn...I can't have any fun.
No arguement. It's science fact. Besides, I have way too much shit to do today. Just catching up real quick after being out of town for awhile.
No nachos here either. Plenty o' beer though.
Wes, thanks for the info. Good stuff.
Ok, I am not trying to be an ass and definitely far from being a "know-it-all"......BUT, from what I gather and have learned is that our stock cars are more than capable of getting into the low 13's and high 12's. With all due respect, I know there are all kinds of variables and such..........................
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER
wow another thread way side tracked lol
US-1
Banned
Nachos rule.
Awwww thanks Wes but no need for all the flattery bro
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Wes
forum member
Awwww thanks Wes but no need for all the flattery bro
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lmao you know bj too ? .....hell I can't say shit the only reason he has broken more than me is he has been having the car 3 years longer .
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