JLT + Boss = Fitment Issues?

[Kenaizer]

Hey-oh!

 

[konablue11gt]

Or a standard boss... you could get SBY in either model. Buddy of mine just picked one up last week.



I am not judging you, even though some of my previous posts may come off as critical. I just have a massive background in quality and product design. This isn't the first product of yours that has been accused of being ill fitting. I know plenty of people make your products work, but it would be nice if they were just designed a little better from the get go.

Do not take this the wrong way, as I have zero idea what your P/L is, but I thought you guys were booming big time with tons of sales and distribution. I don't think you need to reflow a lot of your intakes, just make some adjustments to make them fit better, especially with some of the filters etc. Like including stops etc.

Stops would not be a big cost to put in there are existing molds that would only require burning in a couple of ribs to use as stops with an EDM ...... Not sure why that would be such a huge cost.... And yes I work in the molding industry and have for 30 years so I do know what I'm talking about

 

[kdanner]

OP. I've installed both the Airaid and Steeda Boss specific CAIs. Both line up in a straight line with the throttle body, no relying on a coupler to make the bend.

They both also have closed bottom airboxes that the factory fresh air tube attaches to and ducts air to the filter, not just leaving the end of the tube loose.

Both solidly attach the tube between the filter and throttle body instead of just letting the tube/filter assembly lay loose on top of a plastic wall around the filter.

Both also have enough clearance from the engine instead of rubbing up against the cam cover.

Both also have a built in velocity stack at the end of the tube/MAF which provides a cleaner MAF signal.

 

[Grabber Blue 5.0]

OP. I've installed both the Airaid and Steeda Boss specific CAIs.

Kris, do you prefer one or the other? Or does it not matter?

 

[Seer]

Stops would not be a big cost to put in there are existing molds that would only require burning in a couple of ribs to use as stops with an EDM ...... Not sure why that would be such a huge cost.... And yes I work in the molding industry and have for 30 years so I do know what I'm talking about

This is what I had thought as well.

 

[twistedneck]

I appreciate you doing the right thing and issuing a refund. It is a shame however that you don't offer a proper-fitting piece. It looks (aesthetically) awesome.

i must be odd man out my JLT fits great with the boss intake. it takes a little fiddling and you may have to tilt down the air cleaner a bit to clear the hood apart from that it fits great.

edit: never needed any new coupler.

 

[pacettr]

i must be odd man out my JLT fits great with the boss intake. it takes a little fiddling and you may have to tilt down the air cleaner a bit to clear the hood apart from that it fits great.

edit: never needed any new coupler.

Did you look at the pics? The same piece is used on two manifolds, one angles the TB upward the other downward. How well CAN it really fit?

 

[Blazer707@TBR]

I used the stock jlt coupler with the boss intake and had the tube fall out 2 times from the stress it puts on it. But then got the boss coupler and it fit perfect.

-Thomas

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[kdanner]

Kris, do you prefer one or the other? Or does it not matter?

I lean toward the Steeda. Since it has a separate machined MAF housing rather than putting the MAF electronics into a plastic tube, I believe this provides a more consistent diameter during manufacture, meaning less work dialing in the MAF transfer function, what works on one should work on another. I haven't seen this be a problem with the Airaid, but it certainly could be possible, especially when it is a CF tube like their Boss specific one. CF is just going to have some roughness on the inside.

But remember, FWIW, I've not seen any on track gains with these parts, no matter what brand. Think about this way. The earlier S197 cars had some special editions like the Bullitt where they went to an open air box to increase HP. Yet Ford didn't deem this to be needed on the Boss 302. Do you think they just decided to spend the extra on cams and heads if they could have met their HP goal far more cheaply by using an open air box? I don't. The stock air box is really good. Obviously at some airflow level it becomes a restriction, just like any other part would. I haven't gotten to that level yet.

One thing that is kind of funny to me is that Jay says it costs too much to retool, but just the other day he claimed to have done exactly that, that the tubes were revised to now include the filter stop that they so badly needed.

 

[Tucker]

i must be odd man out my JLT fits great with the boss intake. it takes a little fiddling and you may have to tilt down the air cleaner a bit to clear the hood apart from that it fits great.

edit: never needed any new coupler.

I used the stock jlt coupler with the boss intake and had the tube fall out 2 times from the stress it puts on it. But then got the boss coupler and it fit perfect.

-Thomas

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Thank you both.

As I said, we are seeing the same numbers as those with Boss molded tubes.
That said, I understand some not liking a kit without a boss specific tube, but remember we are $40-90 less than those kits.

Yes, we could spend the $10k and do a Boss mold and up the price, but we don't like that idea. (adding filter stops is not retooling a new mold my buddy )
The Boss manifold has been out for a long time and we have had very few complaints about the fitment.

Yes, you need to fiddle with it a little for best fit, but it saved you money, makes great power and looks awesome.

Again, I know it's not for everyone and I understand that, but it does fit and does work.

 

[stkjock]

I do not want to clean this thread up for off topic comments again

be warned

 

[konablue11gt]

Tucker,

I'm a user of your kit for the Vortech and was wondering about the question that hasn't been answered yet . Can't there be stops put in on the exsisting tools that prevent the filter from being pushed to far in? I'm a little concerned come filter cleaning or replacement I may not get the same location twice and cause issues with the tune

 

[stang8psi]

^ in your case it won't matter much because you are using it as a blow thru!

 

[skulls]

im glad someone posted this as i was looking at the same combo...but this has made up my mind...my money will be spent on another company that makes things fit properly...that also means ill be picking up a moroso seperator...thanks for making the decision easy tucker.

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[UltraKla$$ic]

Steeda Boss CAI setup.

 

[Tucker]

One thing to remember is more customers will start with the stock manifold and swap to the Boss.
This is the case for many of our customers, so with a simple $10 coupler they are set vs having to purchase an entire new tube @ $149 +/-

We don't like to force a customer into that kind of sale.

Thanks
Jay

 

[1950StangJump$]

Steeda Boss CAI setup.

I'm sure that's nice and all, but I couldn't tell -- my eyes started burning when I saw the soundtube.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

I'm sure that's nice and all, but I couldn't tell -- my eyes started burning when I saw the soundtube.

That was an old pic. Newer one here.

 

[Napoleon85]

That was an old pic. Newer one here.

Ahh much better! I hate that stupid sound tube. Is that the Ford STB painted black?

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Ahh much better! I hate that stupid sound tube. Is that the Ford STB painted black?

Yes it is.