MT82 Grinding into 2nd

[assasinator]

its blocking rings with out of tolerance inner surfaces on the grinds. i already know what mine is. im gonna drive it till it does it all the time, which by the way is not too far off. it does it when warm now.

 

[kmracer]

remember guys, this IS a first year drive train. theres going to be issues.

 

[Freshmeat]

I'm hearing this a lot with the grinding gears.It may sound crazy but I have mastered this quirky transmission.When cold,you have to make sure you are precise with your shifts especially 2nd gear.

you have to put a little extra pressure on the shifter keeping it to the left as you catch 2nd gear.I have close to 8K on my car and once warmed up it shifts like a champ including higher rpm shifts 6000-7000rpm.

If I just drove this car normal without doing the little things I've learned I might be unhappy with this new 6spd also.I will eventually upgrade the clutch/flywheel but for now I'm good to go.

When you own a Moto Guzzi bike,you just except the clunky shifting and other quirks and call it character so I guess thats how I deal with this new 6spd.

I dont expect everyone to be like me and Ford should correct these issues because after all it aint no Moto Guzzi and you should not have to adapt to a f****d up transmission on a brand new car IMHO

There was no way to shift mine just right. I tried everything. If it wanted to grind into second it was going to grind into second. It started randomly grinding hard as if I wasn't clutching at all and that's when I had a heart to heart with the dealer. If it starts grinding again I'm having it immediately towed to the dealer via my roadside assistance. That way Ford can keep footing the bills until they get it right or give me my money back.

I've already talked two people into buying GM/Mopar instead of Mustang. Won't stop advising against a 5.0 until they get it right.

 

[wazslow]

I have a very very slight grind going into 2nd when cold. Just about every high hp car with a stick I have had did the same thing though. 03 Cobra with the T56, 2009 Vette with a TR6060, and now this car with the MT82. Mine isnt bad, so Im fine with it. Hope everyone gets it worked out!

 

[wbt]

I've already talked two people into buying GM/Mopar instead of Mustang. Won't stop advising against a 5.0 until they get it right.

I think you need to get rid of your 5.0 and get a Camaro.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

I have a very very slight grind going into 2nd when cold. Just about every high hp car with a stick I have had did the same thing though. 03 Cobra with the T56, 2009 Vette with a TR6060, and now this car with the MT82. Mine isnt bad, so Im fine with it. Hope everyone gets it worked out!

Ditto on the TR6060, what a pile of crap transmission for a $50,000 car.

All of the Tremecs are the crappiest things I've ever shifted, the TR6060 being the worst.

There were many times my GT500 simply refused to go into 2nd gear. Even at full operating temperature, it just wouldn't go.

All manual transmissions are a little notchy when they're cold. It's the same reason you shouldn't go out and hammer the throttle down on a cold engine.

And, if for some reason yours does get really bad, take it in to be fixed. It's not a big fucking deal. Think other manufacturers don't have some problems from time to time? It's certainly not a reason to jump ship. As long as you are treated with respect and they take care of your problems, then you owe them the respect to not trash talk the product.

 

[Freshmeat]

I think you need to get rid of your 5.0 and get a Camaro.

I've always been a truck guy. Both of my other vehicles are 4x4, one on 34s (former DD) and the other is on 38s. This was my first real "high performance" (I use the term loosely) car and I'm disappointed to say the least.

 

[Freshmeat]

Ditto on the TR6060, what a pile of crap transmission for a $50,000 car.

All of the Tremecs are the crappiest things I've ever shifted, the TR6060 being the worst.

There were many times my GT500 simply refused to go into 2nd gear. Even at full operating temperature, it just wouldn't go.

All manual transmissions are a little notchy when they're cold. It's the same reason you shouldn't go out and hammer the throttle down on a cold engine.

And, if for some reason yours does get really bad, take it in to be fixed. It's not a big fucking deal. Think other manufacturers don't have some problems from time to time? It's certainly not a reason to jump ship. As long as you are treated with respect and they take care of your problems, then you owe them the respect to not trash talk the product.

Telling me it's a notchy shifter and I'm imagining grinding sounds is not very respectful in my opinion. I'm sure most dealers are trained to pretend they couldn't replicate things on test drives to see if the owner will blow it off, but that's not how I roll. If I'm paying $37k it shouldn't be making noises my 20yo Explorer with a junk yard transmission and lots of trail abuse makes.

I didn't necessarily trash the manufacturer. All I did was explain to the people the issues I have personally had and that I'm far from alone in the problem. Told them if they'd buy an auto they'd be fine. They wanted a stick so one bought a Camaro and one bought a Challenger (which was a disappointment in itself.)

 

[kmracer]

I've already talked two people into buying GM/Mopar instead of Mustang. Won't stop advising against a 5.0 until they get it right.

you're a tool.

 

[302]

I've already talked two people into buying GM/Mopar instead of Mustang. Won't stop advising against a 5.0 until they get it right.

Because all car manufacturers do not have faults right? I mean lets face it, the camaro's first production wasnt too stellar. Let's not EVEN talk about Chrysler products. Anything that comes from that product line seems to want to ...break....

 

[wbt]

I've always been a truck guy. Both of my other vehicles are 4x4, one on 34s (former DD) and the other is on 38s. This was my first real "high performance" (I use the term loosely) car and I'm disappointed to say the least.

I owned a 5th gen Camaro. Shifting it was far worse then the 5.0 I have now. If fact, out of all the manual cars I have owned, it was the worst shifting.


Go buy a Chevrolet Silverado.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

Telling me it's a notchy shifter and I'm imagining grinding sounds is not very respectful in my opinion. I'm sure most dealers are trained to pretend they couldn't replicate things on test drives to see if the owner will blow it off, but that's not how I roll. If I'm paying $37k it shouldn't be making noises my 20yo Explorer with a junk yard transmission and lots of trail abuse makes.

I didn't necessarily trash the manufacturer. All I did was explain to the people the issues I have personally had and that I'm far from alone in the problem. Told them if they'd buy an auto they'd be fine. They wanted a stick so one bought a Camaro and one bought a Challenger (which was a disappointment in itself.)

No disresepct intended, if it came across that way I apologize. However, I didn't say a notchy SHIFTER. I said they ALL do it. I've driven lots of Mustangs with lots of different manual transmissions. T5, T45, TR3650, T56, TR6060, TKO600, and the MT82. Every single one of them is notchy, especially when cold. GM and Chrylser use the same transmissions. They're going to have exactly the same issues.

You yourself explained why this rubs you the wrong way. You're a truck guy. You've never been in the manual transmission pony car/muscle car scene. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. These manual gearboxes are just not super smooth. Do I know why? No. But I know it's the norm. So, unless it totally denies entry into the gear, I'm sure you don't have a problem. My GT500 had a severe problem with absolutely denying entry into second gear. It caused me to get my ass waxed by a freaking Charger R/T once. How embarrassing. My 540HP, $50,000 car got smoked by a 345HP family boat because the expenive transmission that's used by GM and Chrysler for their high end cars too has an issue. Did I blame Ford? No, I really didn't. I blame Tremec, for not building a gearbox that was up to the claimed quality.

This MT82 is the smoothest shifting transmission I've ver had my hands on. It's a HUGE step in the right direction. I'm sorry that your experience isn't what you expected, but I think the masses speak for themselves.

Just my .02.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

I owned a 5th gen Camaro. Shifting it was far worse then the 5.0 I have now. If fact, out of all the manual cars I have owned, it was the worst shifting.


Go buy a Chevrolet Silverado.

And which transmission was it equipped with?

 

[wbt]

And which transmission was it equipped with?

Tremec TR6060. I even put a short throw shifter on it and was no better.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

Tremec TR6060. I even put a short throw shifter on it and was no better.

Doesn't surprise me. Are you having any trouble with your GT500? Mine was pretty bad with second gear.

 

[Freshmeat]

No disresepct intended, if it came across that way I apologize. However, I didn't say a notchy SHIFTER. I said they ALL do it. I've driven lots of Mustangs with lots of different manual transmissions. T5, T45, TR3650, T56, TR6060, TKO600, and the MT82. Every single one of them is notchy, especially when cold. GM and Chrylser use the same transmissions. They're going to have exactly the same issues.

You yourself explained why this rubs you the wrong way. You're a truck guy. You've never been in the manual transmission pony car/muscle car scene. That's ok, nothing wrong with that. These manual gearboxes are just not super smooth. Do I know why? No. But I know it's the norm. So, unless it totally denies entry into the gear, I'm sure you don't have a problem. My GT500 had a severe problem with absolutely denying entry into second gear. It caused me to get my ass waxed by a freaking Charger R/T once. How embarrassing. My 540HP, $50,000 car got smoked by a 345HP family boat because the expenive transmission that's used by GM and Chrysler for their high end cars too has an issue. Did I blame Ford? No, I really didn't. I blame Tremec, for not building a gearbox that was up to the claimed quality.

This MT82 is the smoothest shifting transmission I've ver had my hands on. It's a HUGE step in the right direction. I'm sorry that your experience isn't what you expected, but I think the masses speak for themselves.

Just my .02.

I wasn't really fussing at you- sorry if it came across that way.

I can handle a notchy transmission- I converted my '92 Explorer to a manual transmission and after numerous abusive trail rides I don't think it has any synchro left on first through third gears. I can deal with that because to date I have a whopping $1200 in the whole truck, including A/C rebuild.

The 5.0 was outright grinding into second gear. I passed it off at first as being notchy because I was only feeling the grind, not hearing it. By the time I turned it in Monday it was clearly audible both inside and outside of the car and was randomly grinding as though I wasn't clutching at all.

In my opinion (keep in mind I didn't tear into things) this originated from a defective clutch, which caused enough wear that it became a transmission issue. It's my understanding they are strictly replacing the transmission so we'll see if if's actually better when I get it back.

 

[Freshmeat]

Because all car manufacturers do not have faults right? I mean lets face it, the camaro's first production wasnt too stellar. Let's not EVEN talk about Chrysler products. Anything that comes from that product line seems to want to ...break....

I'm not saying any manufacturer is without fault and I'll second your point that Chrysler products seem to have an uncanny desire to WANT to break.

When it all boils down I paid $36k for a defective product. When I went twice to have the product repaired I was told I was imagining things. After dealing with it for roughly 5,500 miles and getting ugly with the dealer they are repairing it, but who's to say this new unit won't suffer the same fate of the new unit it's replacing?

 

[Freshmeat]

you're a tool.

...and you're wasting space in my thread.

If you get bad food at a restaurant you're more than likely going to tell your friends. Don't hate on me for not blindly accepting a problematic product just because it's from my manufacturer of choice. If Ford doesn't lose a few sales what motivation do they have to get things right?

 

[RazorbackMustang]

I wasn't really fussing at you- sorry if it came across that way.

I can handle a notchy transmission- I converted my '92 Explorer to a manual transmission and after numerous abusive trail rides I don't think it has any synchro left on first through third gears. I can deal with that because to date I have a whopping $1200 in the whole truck, including A/C rebuild.

The 5.0 was outright grinding into second gear. I passed it off at first as being notchy because I was only feeling the grind, not hearing it. By the time I turned it in Monday it was clearly audible both inside and outside of the car and was randomly grinding as though I wasn't clutching at all.

In my opinion (keep in mind I didn't tear into things) this originated from a defective clutch, which caused enough wear that it became a transmission issue. It's my understanding they are strictly replacing the transmission so we'll see if if's actually better when I get it back.

Outright grinding is definitely worth having them check it out. Did you ever try a different dealer? Some dealers don't even want to try things like that as they depend on the manufacturer to pay for the labor and parts.

Fortunately, my dealer is very helpful. I had two little tears on my GT500 tape stripes when I got it home. I took it back in and showed them. No one had even noticed them except me. They immediately called up and ordered the parts, scheduled an appointment to have the striped replaced, and offered a loaner car as well. I think you maybe just got a bum dealer.

 

[302]

I'm not saying any manufacturer is without fault and I'll second your point that Chrysler products seem to have an uncanny desire to WANT to break.

When it all boils down I paid $36k for a defective product. When I went twice to have the product repaired I was told I was imagining things. After dealing with it for roughly 5,500 miles and getting ugly with the dealer they are repairing it, but who's to say this new unit won't suffer the same fate of the new unit it's replacing?

I wouldnt be "dealing" with it for 5500 miles. I would be making it break even more during those 5500 miles and figuring out a way to replicate it. Yea, if you take it in there with an intermittent problem they are going to push you off to the wayside. That is just the nature of the beast when it comes to troubleshooting. If they cannot replicate it, they let it go.