S197 2.3 Ecoboost?

Discussion in 'Hardcore Tech=*MOTOR SWAPS*' started by Sixer Stang, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. MrAwesome987

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    If you like the idea of high hp 4 bangers, and are up for the challenge, then I think you should go for it. It'd definitely be a unique car.
     
  2. Sixer Stang

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    I would imagine Ford will still want to protect the coyote so it might be a while before the 2.3 will deliver V8 power from the factory.
     
  3. Sixer Stang

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    This is the kind of attitude I love!
     
  4. Dino Dino Bambino

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    OK, I missed that, but why did we have to wait until post 15 for Sixer Stang to tell us which V6 engine he has, and we still don't know what model year of Mustang he has.
    Nevertheless choices 2 & 3 still apply and if it's an 05-09 Model, a Coyote swap begins to make more sense (would need totaled '11-'14 GT as donor vehicle).

    Edit: Never mind. I looked in his profile and it's a 2010 model.
     
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  5. tjm73

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    If you really want a 2.3 EB, Trade your 4.0L v6 towards a '15 with the 2.3 EB. There is virtually no way you can pull off this swap without spending $8-10K tha plus the value of the V6 plus not much more gives you the engine you want in a superior car.

    Do you have to abide by emissions inspections where you live? Meeting emissions adds a whole nother level of complexity.
     
  6. MrAwesome987

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    I don't know what OP's motives or likes/dislikes are, but its possible he doesn't care for the s550 styling.
     
  7. nfrizell

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    Or IRS and the wheel hop issues that come from it.

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  8. Sixer Stang

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    True

    Also true
     
  9. 07gts197

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    Wheel hop is not an issue for an s550 on the street. If he wants to race it then maybe. Now my 07 gt had a lot of wheel hop even on the street if I gave it some gas from a stop.


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  10. Pentalab

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    The 4L, 6 cyl eng was used from 05-10. The 4L is a dog, like 225 crank hp. We had one old bitty here in town who had the only 2010 (4L) V6. Dead giveaway.... it has a single exhaust....on pass side.

    Any eng swap would be an improvement.

    Most cost effective route would be to trade the car in.
     
  11. jewc75

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    If a 6r80 will bolt up then so will the th400's and powerglides using the same bolt pattern bell housing.
     
  12. 08MustangDude

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    I have seen the TH400 conversion kits too, they are expensive.

    Pentalab; The 4.0 V6 for 05-10 is 210 HP, not 225.
     
  13. Dino Dino Bambino

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    Indeedy!

    I'm sure he already knows that. He was referring to the 225hp Aussie 4.0L straight six, which was actually a very robust and reliable engine. At 210hp, the Cologne 4.0L V6 was even more underpowered. It was sourced from the Explorer and used as a stop gap in the 05-10 models 'cause Ford hadn't yet developed the DOHC 3.7L V6 to replace the aging 193hp pushrod 3.8L V6 used in the 2004 New Edge model.
     
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  14. 08MustangDude

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    All he said was "The 4L, 6 cyl eng was used from 05-10. The 4L is a dog, like 225 crank hp."
    I don't see an Aussie reference, however; all the BARRA 4.0s I6 motors were higher than 225HP,
    with one exception, and that wasn't referenced either.:
    182 was 244HP
    190 was 255HP
    195 was 261HP
    All three of those are N/A motors, and any one of them is an improvement over the V6.

    The Turbos? Now you're talking...
    The 240T started at 322HP, and they only went up from there.

    The only one that was lower than the 182, was the Barra e-gas, at 209HP.

    There are no 225HP stock Barra engines.
     
  15. Dino Dino Bambino

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Barra_engine

    You are correct, although there was a 225hp/273lbft SOHC 4.0L I6 in the AU Fairmont Ghia. The Barra engines were all DOHC with variable valve timing but none are available to the OP.
    Regardless, the 210hp 4.0L Cologne V6 was underpowered by comparison and needs forced induction just to match today's 305hp 3.7L V6 Cyclone engine for HP. Simple bolt-ons are a waste of money.
    Any engine swap into the OP's 2010 V6 is going to cost north of $10k and just isn't worth the expense and the effort, plus the frustration of trying to make everything work (particularly electricals/electronics). The resale value of the car would still remain the same so my advice to the OP is still to save up and trade his car in if he wants one that's more powerful.
     
  16. tjm73

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    When talking about the S197, the Barra engines are not relevant.

    The 4.0 SOHC V6 is an ok engine. when you go back to it's point of development it was pretty advanced and made pretty good power. It showed up in '97 making 210 hp and 254 ft-lbs (I looked it up). For reference the top dog 4.6 DOHC of that same year only had 305hp. The run of the mill 4.6 SOHC 2V had a ho-hum 215hp and 285lb-ft. It's biggest issue is it never got an real further development. I am sure that 230-240 hp was within reach had they developed it at all.

    Those were depressed days for Ford performance. Not as bad as the mid-late 70's, but there wasn't a whole lot of exciting cutting edge stuff on the engine market from Ford at the time.

    Ford hit an absolute home run with the 2005 styling. They made a very good 4.6 3V for it and then they had a conversation like this "Oh crap, we need a pedestrian engine for the base model. Well, we don't have much to pick from. I guess we'll use the 4.0 SOHC." Annnnnndddd.....here we are.
     
  17. Dino Dino Bambino

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    Yeah, the 4.0L V6 was primarily aimed at the rental car market, and indeed Ford couldn't be bothered to develop that engine any further after its introduction in 1997. Consequently it was stuck with 205-210hp for 14 years until Ford finally launched the DOHC 3.7 Cyclone in 2011.
     
  18. dre256

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    Am just really understanding now at 35 the point of going overboard on projects and when to move on. Am guessing since you have a 4.0L and it's probably your first mustang it has sentimental value. At end of the day it's a rental car really. Sorry but it's reality. There is a difference between dropping your hard earned saved cash into a car vs a car payment. Your talking at least a 10k dollar swap from your savings account. You want an ecoboost, get the new 2020 2.3 HO mustang. Supposed to be like 30k. Your 10k dollars on this project will take that car to 20k. And 72 months or less that's am guessing 350 month payment.

    If you want an S197, buy a 11-14 coyote.

    Don't waste your hard earned cash on a project no one has done before. There is no return on it
     
  19. jewc75

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    OMG at the thought of building a car to be different and to your taste. Half of the car shows on tv are people building cars that for me personally belong in a crusher, but its their money and their car so who am i to judge.
     
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  20. 08MustangDude

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    There is a guy bringing in Barra motors. He sold the last five, and said he's got more coming.
    https://www.v6mustang.com/threads/first-ford-barra-motors-in-the-usa-it-has-finally-happened.280425/

    Quicktime makes a bellhousing for the Barra for T56 trans, and 1 for a powerglide.
    There is a wire harness and ECU kit for them too...

    Keep an eye on that for when he gets them...

    I would not do all the work for the power, just for the originality of having an I6 in
    the S197. Imagine the Coyote as a V12, this I6 would be one bank, that's how
    big they are. Would be good for car shows, and the like, but not just to add a few
    more HP.

    About a year ago, I could have had a '12 3.7 V6 for $4800, but missed it by a day. Did
    not see the price reduction till it was too late. He started at $10,500, for an "R" titled
    car. I went and looked at it when he went down to the $5200 area. I looked over the
    front end, and it was fine. It has 89,000 miles on it, or 98,000, whatever, but for
    $4800 "R" title, was a steal. He had to pay around that to get it fixed up. I checked
    the body lines, underneath, all that, and it looked like it wasn't hit up front... Doesn't
    take much to total these cars anyway...