Smoke after breathers installed normal?

o2sys

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So I finally installed a breather filter and after the car warmed up and during idle I see excessive amount of smoke/vapors coming out of the filter. Looks like a vaporizer and smells like hot oil. Is this normal?

I actually have a breather tank.

Top nipple goes into the passenger side pcv and the driver side goes into the bottom nipple of the can.

There is a mesh filter between the top and bottom nipples.

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Driver side manifold fitting is plugged and so the air intake.
 

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it should have breather, and connected to the intake shouldnt it?

would cause un-metered air into the intake
 

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Nothing is connected to the intake. I have good vacuum at idle and drives good maybe even better than before.

As far as I understood the stock pcv air goes in from the passenger side and goes out the driver side correct? And there is a built in pcv inside the driver side cam covers?
 

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You have defeated your PCV system doing it that way!!:uhoh2:

Why do you want a catch can open to the atmosphere??:shrug:
 

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You have defeated your PCV system doing it that way!!:uhoh2:

Why do you want a catch can open to the atmosphere??:shrug:

To relieve crankcase pressure because it's boosted.

Ok so the smoke is coming out of the passenger side. Did it route this backwards? I always thought the passenger side sucked in fresh air.
 

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I'm boosted. And set up the same way as you. I vent vapors as well.

Both sides into a vented catch can. No pcv or any hoses connected to the intake or engine anywhere.

I won't say the smoke is normal. Because I simply don't know that it is. What I can tell you is my system has vented steam/vapor since I installed it and my engine runs fine and I have tons of vacuum

Edit.

I just realized you are still running pcv. So I am not set up the same as you. I capped my intake manifold and ran both cam covers to a vented catch can.
 
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Mine is capped as well, I just ran the hose of the passenger side under the throttle body so it looks like is connect but it's not.
 

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Some smoke is normal. And a smell of oil is also normal. Justa3v is correct. Both sides vented to atmosphere with the catch can. But also use a breather in ur oil fill. This set up will relieve crank pressure instead of using a pump. Be advised though. It may take in unmetered air.


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Once you disconnect the driver side from the manifold there is nothing to pull air through the motor so it no longer draws air in from the passenger side.

What you are experiencing is common with breathers. More comes out the passenger side because there is nothing opening the pcv valve on the drivers side (normally vacuum from the intake manifold would open it). The pcv valve is built into the valve cover. If you don't remove it when going to breathers then the passenger side is the only side that can vent.
 

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Ok, so since the passenger side has more coming out should I be routing this to the bottom nipple of the catch can? Like I stated before there is a mesh filter between the top and bottom nipple.

Here's a video of the smoke:
https://youtu.be/7KukYbTZdnQ
 

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Ok, so since the passenger side has more coming out should I be routing this to the bottom nipple of the catch can? Like I stated before there is a mesh filter between the top and bottom nipple.

Here's a video of the smoke:
https://youtu.be/7KukYbTZdnQ


If you intend on running breathers the first thing you should do is remove the pcv valve from the driver side valve cover. At least that's what I'd do. If you don't do that then all you have is one path (passenger side) for the motor to breathe through.

Having an active pcv system allows the motors natural vacuum to remove crankcase vapors. Once you go with breathers there isn't anything to pull that bad air out so it's a good idea to give the motor as many paths for venting as possible. Many will add an oil cap breather to help even with the pcv valve removed.
 

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Ok i don't know if it has been but I'm noticing lately that during idle at a red light for example, the oil vapor starts seeping through the side of the hood.

Looks from the outside something is burning.

Anyway I can route this smoke to the exhaust ?
 

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Remove the PCV valve from the cam cover. The way it is now you don't need to hook anything up the the drivers side cover, nothing is coming out of it. Remove the valve and open up the 710 cap with a breather too. This will give you 3 outlets and it will cut down on the oil mist and smoking. You have so much gas coming out of the one small outlet that it is picking up more than it should. If you run 3 it will slow the velocity/volume. I run 3 breathers and have no issues with dripping or or smoking. You can always mount the can somewhere else or run a tube in place of the filter and route it anywhere you want.
 

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If you intend on running breathers the first thing you should do is remove the pcv valve from the driver side valve cover. At least that's what I'd do. If you don't do that then all you have is one path (passenger side) for the motor to breathe through.

Having an active pcv system allows the motors natural vacuum to remove crankcase vapors. Once you go with breathers there isn't anything to pull that bad air out so it's a good idea to give the motor as many paths for venting as possible. Many will add an oil cap breather to help even with the pcv valve removed.

Unless you intend on running the car mostly for racing or track use, I wouldn't recommend using breathers anyhow.. For daily driver and street use, I really don't think there's any benefit in disabling the factory PCV system in favor of venting the crankcase to atmosphere with valve cover breathers..

Even if the PCV valve is removed by providing 3 paths for venting the crankcase, there still needs to be enough crankcase pressure for pushing the bad air out to begin with, otherwise the majority of crankcase vapors end up remaining in the crankcase causing contamination and eventually shortening the life of your rings and seals..

Remove the PCV valve from the cam cover. The way it is now you don't need to hook anything up the the drivers side cover, nothing is coming out of it. Remove the valve and open up the 710 cap with a breather too. This will give you 3 outlets and it will cut down on the oil mist and smoking. You have so much gas coming out of the one small outlet that it is picking up more than it should. If you run 3 it will slow the velocity/volume. I run 3 breathers and have no issues with dripping or or smoking. You can always mount the can somewhere else or run a tube in place of the filter and route it anywhere you want.

I actually ran breathers for awhile to find out just how effective they were over the factory PCV system and although they prevented crankcase vapors from entering the intake manifold and back into the crankcase itself, I found out through personal experience there was nothing coming out of the driver side cam cover because of the PCV valve not being removed first which only allowed for just one path on the passenger side cam cover for venting the crankcase..

So rather than going through the hassle of uninstalling the driver's side cam cover and then by having to cut open the PCV housing tube just in order to remove the valve and hope that nothing goes wrong.. That was just a risk in which I was not willing to take, therefore being that my car is mostly used for street use and isn't taken to the track anyhow, I decided that it was best to just leave the factory PCV system in place and run UPR's latest 4 chamber design catch can/oil separator instead.. So far after 4 months, the UPR separator seems to be doing it's job quite well..

As for running a breather in place of the factory oil cap goes, I also wouldn't recommend replacing the oil cap unless the breather has a one way check valve for preventing un-metered air from entering the crankcase..

Anyway just my $.02..
 

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Vapor is normal. I notice mine emits quite a bit until the car is completely warmed up with oil at operating temperature.
 

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