Whiteline Watts Link Failure

[DiMora]

Everything in double shear. Still mounted to the diff.

WOW. I think I just soiled myself.

Beautiful craftsmanship.

So...is anyone going to make a billet Whiteline propeller upgrade? If not, I may ask my buddy about doing so. He has a shop full of CNC machines.

 

[Roadracer350]

The problem is you will need to redesign part of it. If you just copy it it will be a patant infringement. We have a program written for it but we don't want any legal problems plus I think Whiteline has looked at this thread and is going to look into it.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Everything in double shear. Still mounted to the diff.

Just so everybody is aware, the rigidity of the two tubular stands to the 'bridge' that provides the double shear situation at the main pivot will define how much of the lateral load will go through the bridge. The bridge will always carry less than half of the total lateral load (it's a structural engineering relative stiffness of the two load paths thing). The question comes down to how much less.

I do like this approach, though I'd probably make the stands bigger in the lateral direction specifically to make a larger proportion of the lateral load go through the bridge. Might need a second set of bolts to keep the stands correctly oriented. A little more (unsprung) weight for even greater peace of mind, I suppose.


Norm

 

[sheizasosay]

I do like this approach, though I'd probably make the stands bigger in the lateral direction specifically to make a larger proportion of the lateral load go through the bridge.


Norm

Did you see my diff that Alex done? Tank.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Got a picture or a link to one?


Norm

 

[sheizasosay]

Got a picture or a link to one?


Norm

Post 51 and 62.

 

[NoTicket]

The problem is you will need to redesign part of it. If you just copy it it will be a patant infringement. We have a program written for it but we don't want any legal problems plus I think Whiteline has looked at this thread and is going to look into it.

If they are going to look in to it that's great. Are you able to provide any more info on that? It would sure be awesome if they got some sort of improvement out for it before the warranty on mine expires next September.

 

[Roadracer350]

If they are going to look in to it that's great. Are you able to provide any more info on that? It would sure be awesome if they got some sort of improvement out for it before the warranty on mine expires next September.

I seriously doubt you will have anymore trouble.

 

[NoTicket]

I seriously doubt you will have anymore trouble.

Then why would Whiteline be looking in to it? I assume you were implying they are thinking about improving the design.

 

[Roadracer350]

I am assuming they are but that just my opinion. I haven't talked to them about it nor have I tried. I it was my co I would always be looking to improve anything. I may make one for mine and may make it double sheer like Griggs or Correx but until I have a problem with it I am going to push her for all she's worth. Like I Sao in my previous posts Terry beats the shit out of his and has had no problems

 

[BMR Tech]

^ Do you really think that if Terry has a problem, he will share with the public? Highly doubt it....

 

[NoTicket]

This thread should die.

 

[Roadracer350]

^ Do you really think that if Terry has a problem, he will share with the public? Highly doubt it....

Yes I do. I have talked to him and Jason at length and they have told me everything that has happened and yes I do believe them. Look back at all of Terrys write ups and not once did he have a DNF because of the suspension breaking.

 

[sheizasosay]

Yes I do. I have talked to him and Jason at length and they have told me everything that has happened and yes I do believe them. Look back at all of Terrys write ups and not once did he have a DNF because of the suspension breaking.

I hate to agree with Kelly, but it is almost Christmas.

Considering this thread is 8 pages....I would have expected them to say what you are saying, but they aren't.

 

[Roadracer350]

This is what I know, any and all failures Whiteline has had they have not only taken care of the customer but they have fixed the problem. Their UCA they redesighned and a whopping 3 watts problems were taken care of and the root cause was found. Would I like to see them make a prop out of a single piece of 4130CM? Yes. Could I make my on prop? Yes, but why? Right now I'm beating on this stuff and not had one iota of a problem. BMR went thru the same thing with their LCA and they took care of the customer, found the root cause and did a redesign. Honestly we are beating a dead horse here. They have had 3 problems with their watts and all 3 were taken care of ASAP. 3 out of how many they have sold.

 

[NoTicket]

It's like a broken record in here. We have absolutely no idea how many failures there have been. Additionally, that is 3 more than I have heard of for the Cortex/Griggs/Fays2 Watts Links.

Again, Terry and Jason have definitely seen this thread. Considering how vocal Terry can be (ahem, the K-member thread, etc.) it is very surprising that they have not chimed in thus far about their own experience of not having it break.

I don't think people are claiming that Whiteline is a shitty company. They did take care of everybody that we have heard about and replaced their parts. However, I think pretty much everybody is in agreement that the Whiteline propeller design, from the perspective of robustness, is lacking in comparison to much of the competition.

And by "take care of" they basically sent out a replacement for the flawed part. That is basically the bare minimum they have to do. I have some issues related to damage caused by the break, and having the chassis bucking about, that I am still trying to figure out. They definitely are not going to cover the cost of having somebody take a look at the car and see what the problem is. The ability to trust the design of a critical suspension component is not something you can just hand wave away with good customer service.

 

[Roadracer350]

I'm not saying it is BUT have you contacted Whiteline directly about the damage to your car? What did it do? I thought you said you were doing less than 15mph when it happened. When you put the prop back on did you check everything? I agree the prop could be more robust but you had to like the design when you originally purchased it or you would not have spent the money. You said yours failed with about 800 miles or so on it. I have over 2g on my install of less than 1 month and no problems. Yes yours had a bad weld and mine did not but the point being we all agree the prop could be a little beefier but would you be saying anything other than praise for the unit if yours had not broken? I'm not trying to be an ass but if your not happy with the unit sell it and get a Griggs or Cortex.

 

[NoTicket]

I have a loud thump coming from the right front of the car when I go over speed bumps. Everything else is stock, and this was not something that used to happen.

 

[jmauld]

Check your swaybar end links.

 

[NoTicket]

Will do. I am also going to see if the strut mounts are screwed up.