Who uses non-ethanol fuel?

[GriffX]

2.20 eu =


2.20 euro's = $2.40 us dollars. My 2010 GT is a 60 litre tank. 60 x $2.40 = $144.00 US funds to fill the tank.

1 US gallon = 3.7854 litres.
60 litre tank / 3.7854 litres = 15.85 US gallons.
$144.00 US funds / 15.85 US gallons = $9.08 US funds per US gallon.

$9.08 per gallon ! WTF ? How the hell can you folks afford to keep a car on the road ??

On a side note, how much do you pay per KWH for electricity ??

Today 91 E5 gas was 7.65 US$, last year high was 8.80 US$. That's why I not use the Mustang in winter.

Electricity is 48 ct€ /kWh and natural gas for heating is 12-18 ct /kWh.
But, that's not all. My health insurance is 9,000€ per year. The middle income is around 49,000€.
The middle class cannot get rich here or even buy or build a house.

If I could I would leave, but there is no where to hide anymore.

 

[Migi]

Don't get me wrong I don't have to bad, but sometimes all the rules and taxes a get fed up with it.
I life in Nijmegen, here in the city you pay round the 3 or 4 euro per hour for parking.
Butt screw it I still can drive my mustang haha

 

[Migi]

Today 91 E5 gas was 7.65 US$, last year high was 8.80 US$. That's why I not use the Mustang in winter.

Electricity is 48 ct€ /kWh and natural gas for heating is 12-18 ct /kWh.
But, that's not all. My health insurance is 9,000€ per year. The middle income is around 49,000€.
The middle class cannot get rich here or even buy or build a house.

If I could I would leave, but there is no where to hide anymore.

That's also around the same pricing as that we have here, it varies per day, now at the cheapest
pomp its €2.06

Butt WTH, €9000 for healt insurrance??

 

[GriffX]

7-10k is a typical figure for health insurance for a middle class employee. The employer refunds you 50% of it, which is more or less a tax game, they lower your income as compensation.
If you have a small business, you have to pay all, of cause.

BTW: Isn't there a luxury tax on the Mustang GT in the Netherlands? Parking 4€/h is a normal price in bigger cities here, too. Nijmegen with the famous roundabout

For the US friends: The commuting distance is for most of the people not so far compared to the US, drive less, pay less fuel.

 

[Migi]

Yeah the plans are to make a rule so that cars with a lott off co2 emmissions, aren't
allowed in to center of the city anymore.

But how care's, driving in the center is shit anyhow haha

 

[Jwood562]

i learn someting new everyday....I have never heard of e10 or e5 and my European have it worse on price per gallon, but i still pay near $5/gal for 91oct

 

[Migi]

 

[Pentalab]

Putting ethanol in gasoline is a wasted effort imo. It just leans out the AFR by .3 to .5 You have to then burn more of it, to get the same BTU's as gasoline without ethanol.

Taken to the extreme, like with E85, fuel mileage drops 30%. With methanol, it drops 50%.

 

[Laga]

Putting ethanol in gasoline is a wasted effort imo. It just leans out the AFR by .3 to .5 You have to then burn more of it, to get the same BTU's as gasoline without ethanol.

Taken to the extreme, like with E85, fuel mileage drops 30%. With methanol, it drops 50%.

When I converted to E85 2 years ago, my mpg dropped by 17%-20% with the 70%-81% ethanol content E85 in my area compared to the 93 octane I was running before. As of today, E85 ($3.67) is 30% cheaper than 93 octane ($5.17). A 10%-13% savings. These numbers vary slightly with winter and summer blends of both gasoline and E85.

 

[JC SSP]

Not saying ethanol is not good, I am just sticking with 93 because that's what I run in all my cars (87' 5.0, 03' Taurus, 05' GT, 16' A4 and 23' Hemi). Also, the lawn mower, pressure washer and the weed eater (2-stroke mixed) get 93.

I have a stage 2 boosted Audi which is specifically tuned for 93. My buddy with a 9 sec GN swears by E85 and always preaches the positives of ethanol (i.e., more HP/TQ, cleaner burning, cooler running, etc.). I know it's cheaper and easier to find than race gas (i.e., C16), but I am just not interested at the level of performance where I am at right now, maybe in the future...

 

[Juice]

I run the minimum octane required in every engine I have. If 87 is spec'd running 93 will have no benefit what so ever. My GSXR and 91 vortech superchared fox are the only vehicles I own that require it. I flat out ignore the 10% E. Took over ten years to see any effect of ethanol on my yard equipment. Had to replace dry rotted fuel lines, big deal. lol

Anyone see the engine masters episode where they ran everything from pump regular, to e85, and race gas? No significant power difference measured. No timing changes were required. Now granted, thats WOT only. If you get some knock at part throttle, thats where octane requirement shows up, part throttle.

E85 is better for boosted aplications because it cools the intake charge, and is more resistant to knock.

Coyote, Hayabusa, van, and daily beater all run 87. It works. No point in spending 75 cents more per gallon.

93 in the lawn mower?

 

[Laga]

I run the minimum octane required in every engine I have. If 87 is spec'd running 93 will have no benefit what so ever. My GSXR and 91 vortech superchared fox are the only vehicles I own that require it. I flat out ignore the 10% E. Took over ten years to see any effect of ethanol on my yard equipment. Had to replace dry rotted fuel lines, big deal. lol

Anyone see the engine masters episode where they ran everything from pump regular, to e85, and race gas? No significant power difference measured. No timing changes were required. Now granted, thats WOT only. If you get some knock at part throttle, thats where octane requirement shows up, part throttle.

E85 is better for boosted aplications because it cools the intake charge, and is more resistant to knock.

Coyote, Hayabusa, van, and daily beater all run 87. It works. No point in spending 75 cents more per gallon.

93 in the lawn mower?

Putting a higher octane in a lawnmower is a waste because most lawn equipment have a low compression ratio. Usually around 7:1. However, you should check the manual for any 2-stroke equipment, like string trimmers or blowers. Some recommend mid-grade. This is because the oil added to gasoline lowers the octane rating. Stihl for example, calls for 89 octane.

 

[Juice]

Putting a higher octane in a lawnmower is a waste because most lawn equipment have a low compression ratio. Usually around 7:1. However, you should check the manual for any 2-stroke equipment, like string trimmers or blowers. Some recommend mid-grade. This is because the oil added to gasoline lowers the octane rating. Stihl for example, calls for 89 octane.

Have no idea what my 2strokes call for. I run prior year's premix from the jetskis in them. I "think" I run 89 in the skis. Only got out once last year on the skis.

 

[JC SSP]

Living in S. FL with the threat of Tropical Storms, Hurricanes or just power outages I have dual back generators so a small stockpile of gas. It's just easier to have 93 on hand since every few months I will dump the gas into the cars and refill with fresh 93 for the upcoming season. If I put 87 into my Audi or my little coupe they will run poorly.

This is the way... LOL

 

[Riverszzr]

I exclusively run no ethanol in everything I own (sans the diesel truck since I can't find pure diesel anywhere within a reasonable distance of where I drive it)
and yes that ends up being either 91 or 93
My lawnmower is now 40+ years old and has never once needed a carb clean, and it sits unused for about 3 weeks at a time all summer (typically only used about 6-10 times a year) and for 6+ months over the winter....the snowblower (nearly 30 years old now) sees the same lengthy sitting all summer but less sitting in the winter as snow events are closer together than the speed in which the grass grows- or doesn't grow
Running ethanol free is paramount to both of their long lifespans and never needed the carbs cleaned

my Mustang....... I net about 3mpg better running ethanol free 93 than running ethanol (10%) and it idles better and has better throttle response
to me it is well worth the $0.55-$0.80 per gallon to buy ethanol free 93 over the ethanol crap
My subaru I see no difference in mpg (maybe 0.5mpg better- depends on how accurate you can compare any two tanks driving), but it is a bit crisper in throttle response and a better idle

So there are benefits besides giving the government the middle finger to all their stolen tax subsidies for billionaires