05 to 09 coyote generation 2 swap! Guide and help tips

[Dino Dino Bambino]

Here are a couple of videos describing an ongoing Gen 1 Coyote swap into a 3V GT:

Watch that space 'cause there'll be more.

 

[Fabman]

Part 3

 

[Fabman]

I have compiled a S197 RACE ONLY Gen 2 detailed swap list with prices on an Exel spreadsheet. This means no A/C, no smog controls, catalytics, etc. etc. If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to share it. It does use a lot of the Power By The Hour swap parts.

Lay it on me...

 

[Greg D]

Did you get my reply from another forum? If not, here it is again...

 

[Fabman]

Yes, thank you. I'm still looking for the ABS information. I am getting conflicting information.
I asked Tony Gonyan of Tuners Inc. and he said he didn't know of any way to make it work with a control pack...that kinna let the wind outta my sails.

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

Several people have completed Coyote swaps into 3V Mustangs and this has me wondering. Has anyone taken a different approach by rebuilding a salvage '11-'14 GT with front & rear body panels from an '05-'09?

 

[Juice]

Yes, thank you. I'm still looking for the ABS information. I am getting conflicting information.
I asked Tony Gonyan of Tuners Inc. and he said he didn't know of any way to make it work with a control pack...that kinna let the wind outta my sails.

There are 3 components you have to make work together. EPAS, PCM, ABS. Since you did Gen2 control pack, it is not going to be easy to make it work with the ABS. (I'm not sure if even Gen1 pcm would be able to communicate with ABS)
The issue is from what I understand is network addressing and/or communication protocols being different between the 05-09 and Gen 2.

I really would like to find out for sure myself. As even with Gen1 swap some things do not work on mine.
PCM to cluster communication is one way only on mine. Cluster reads PCM signals over the can bus, but the PCM is not registering information the cluster is sending. (Odometer, fuel level) But this does not affect anything or throw a light of some type. I think you would need to do some can bus "sniffing" and capturing packets to see which module is sending what info where.

 

[Fabman]

There are 3 components you have to make work together. EPAS, PCM, ABS. Since you did Gen2 control pack, it is not going to be easy to make it work with the ABS. (I'm not sure if even Gen1 pcm would be able to communicate with ABS)
The issue is from what I understand is network addressing and/or communication protocols being different between the 05-09 and Gen 2.

I really would like to find out for sure myself. As even with Gen1 swap some things do not work on mine.
PCM to cluster communication is one way only on mine. Cluster reads PCM signals over the can bus, but the PCM is not registering information the cluster is sending. (Odometer, fuel level) But this does not affect anything or throw a light of some type. I think you would need to do some can bus "sniffing" and capturing packets to see which module is sending what info where.

I keep hearing that the ABS can be used as a stand alone unit but so far I haven't had enough detail on how exactly to do it.

 

[Juice]

I keep hearing that the ABS can be used as a stand alone unit but so far I haven't had enough detail on how exactly to do it.

All I can tell you is I have a U-code now in my EPAS and PCM, as my car does not have ABS. I never had any U codes till I added EPAS, which tells me that the code is coming from the EPAS but the PCM is also reporting it. So I have ZERO experience with 05&up ABS.
The only stand alone ABS I have ever seen were fox body guys retrofitting SN95 ABS units. But that is truely a stand alone system, much simpler and only 3 channel.

 

[race4food]

Several people have completed Coyote swaps into 3V Mustangs and this has me wondering. Has anyone taken a different approach by rebuilding a salvage '11-'14 GT with front & rear body panels from an '05-'09?

the issue with that is the main chassis will look funny because of the body lines. The rear quarters are flared different and the pinch line on the doors to the back look a bit different. This is one reason I went with my swap is I love the 07-09 GT 500 but didn't want a blower on a road course.

 

[Tony Jestis]

Have a Coyote swap planned for my ‘09. Originally, I was going to supercharge my 4.6L. Then a friend turned me on to the Coyote. I did some research and talked to a few folks I met from Ford -Dearborn and made an amazing discovery. What an incredible engine! If you tune it for a truck, it’s a truck engine. If you tune it for a Mustang, it goes racing. It’s the most versatile engine Ford has built since the Flathead in 1934.

 

[eighty6gt]

It has the flathead firing order

and round and round we go

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

Have a Coyote swap planned for my ‘09. Originally, I was going to supercharge my 4.6L. Then a friend turned me on to the Coyote. I did some research and talked to a few folks I met from Ford -Dearborn and made an amazing discovery. What an incredible engine! If you tune it for a truck, it’s a truck engine. If you tune it for a Mustang, it goes racing. It’s the most versatile engine Ford has built since the Flathead in 1934.

The 3V is a very good engine with a lot of potential, but the Coyote is in another league and is truly world class. Indeed it compares very favouribly with the best British, German, Italian, and Japanese supercar V8 engines. The Gen 3, in particular, is an absolute masterpiece.

 

[CoyoteRed]

Reviving an old thread. Can anyone tell me clearly how they wired the speedo in the following application? 2005 auto v6 car with gen 1 coyote swap and mt82 trans using the first gen of the ford racing power pack controller. The cluster has been swapped to the gt cluster and info buttons were added. All other gauges are operational at this point. There is no 3v computer on the car. We were able to get the three wire speed sensor in the trans wired using the 5v from the Dakota box and repinning the ground and speed wire into the power pack harness to the ecu. I’ve got no speedo though and I’m not sure what to do to get the signal to the cluster? I’ve found 100 threads but no one lays out the actual instal steps to make this work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Juice]

The speedo works off the CAN bus. If your scan tool shows vehicle speed as seen by the pcm, than the speedo should be reading the same. All I did was wire the speed sensor at the trans.
Also note, not having an accurate speedo reading at the PCM, WILL cause driveability issue. I did for me anyway.

 

[CoyoteRed]

So where would the Dakota box be wired if that’s the case? Going into the pcm? Everyone seems to make this sound so easy but no one seems to have a step by step. Is there a write up anywhere? What actual wires need to be connected to what? I’d like to get this working as many seem to have done this without issues.

 

[Juice]

No idea on the Dakota box. Im not running the mt82. I made my own hookup for the magnum xl.
Do your tach and temp guages work? Does your pcm data show vehicle speed?
I thought you said Gen 1, but now its gen2? Gen 2 pcm will not drive the speedo, dont know why.

 

[CoyoteRed]

My tach and temp gauges do work. It’s gen 1, I just hijacked an old thread for a gen 2 cause it seemed like there was a lot of people on the speedo topic.

 

[Juice]

My tach and temp gauges do work. It’s gen 1, I just hijacked an old thread for a gen 2 cause it seemed like there was a lot of people on the speedo topic.

Tach and temp working, pcm is sending signal to cluster. Assuming you dont have a bad stepper motor in your speedo, it should work. Why are you using the box? Should not need anything for the mt82, just hook up the outpustshaft sensor.

 

[CoyoteRed]

The ford power pack wasn’t setup for the speedo. I’m not sure why but I know others have mentioned it. We pinned it into the ecu but the ecu still isnt reading it. I don’t really understand why as both cars are canbus but it doesn’t work. I’ve decided to go with an aftermarket speedo for the time being. I think I’ll need a tuner to get the stock cluster to work. I don’t think it’s currently programmed to read the sensor.