Best FI for touring?

Discussion in 'Mustang Chit Chat' started by Enfield, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Pentalab

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    The problem with the roush aluminum intake manifold is it also has the hot water cross over built into the leading edge.
    What HE are you using ? Cruising in 70-75F summertime heat, IAT's are typ 120 F.... and drop a bunch with gas pedal mashed, blower on. Just cruising, and the air is traveling so slow through the intake manifold, it gets re-heated. Drop down a gear or two, or get into the gas a bit ( blower off)..and now the air travels in + out of the hot al manifold quicker.
     
  2. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    If your referring to the Saleen series VI S/C? there is no other way to run it, as they require the alternator installed backwards in the reverse rotation :shrug:
     
  3. DieHarder

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    For those considering buying a DOB manifold ensure you elect to purchase the insulator option for the supercharger manifold. It employs a heavy duty insulation material that will help prevent heat soak. I monitor both inlet and manifold temps. My IAT's typically run about 10 - 20 degrees above ambient and most often around 90 - 120 depending on weather. Can go above 130 in summer but I usually never see north of 140 (sitting in traffic). Cools off once you get rolling. I also opted for the 2013 GT500 H/E. No heat soak issues to speak of.
     
  4. eighty6gt

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    exactly

    don't run it
     
  5. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    So what exactly do you suggest, just stop running my Saleen VI blower altogether and get rid of it??? From a financial point of view, it's not exactly a very practical option, to say the very least. Meanwhile, It's also been running on my car for over 14 years which still has the original OEM alternator. Needless to say, the alternator has never been replaced and is still performing strong with no negative related issues that I'm aware of.
     
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  6. eighty6gt

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    If you already have it you can leave it, I was meaning for the new guy. And if you read what I wrote it's just the mental damage that is the problem. I couldn't stand running a device backwards.
     
  7. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    I wasn't aware of the new guy running his alternator backwards. Therefore, I had assumed you were responding directly to my questions :shrug:
     
  8. eighty6gt

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    afaik new guy has nothing, is building up a great DOB system for a reasonable cost
     
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  9. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    If I were building up a new S/C system? DOB would definitely be the way to go, no doubt about it :waytogo:
     
  10. eighty6gt

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    Yes, I as well. I just have enough money poured into what I have and it's worth nothing to sell so here we are.
     
  11. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    It appears we're pretty much in the same boat, as I also have too much already invested and therefore cannot afford to take a loss by starting over again from scratch at the present time :shrug:
     
  12. DieHarder

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    I elected to go DOB for my build year before last and have been impressed with fit, finish, installation ease and reliability of the kit. Started up first crank and has been fiddle free since. Took about a week to install (but I'm slow/methodical/perfectionist). If you're going to embark on this just do your homework; it's worthwhile to purchase a complete kit from DOB vice sourcing all of the details yourself but it can be done. And purchase a Wideband AFR and have Lito tune it. You'll be glad you did.
     
  13. Enfield

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    "New guy" here: Justin at DOB has been very helpful with all kinds of questions, including some not related to his products. That said, I can't seem to get under $6k when building a system with parts bought from DOB; this price includes SCT and wideband, but not tuning.

    OTOH, there is a Saleen Series VI system complete less than a day's drive from home for under $4k. Jason's review of this unit suggests that it works OK at 450hp, and that's plenty for me. Seller has already removed it from his car, so no way to see it run. Is there a "static" test for S/C operation?

    Thinking ahead, it would be nice to avoid having to buy extra gauges if one could simply set up an interface to send boost and IAT #'s to a cell phone mounted in front of the radio. Is this feasible?

    tia, Enfield
     
  14. DieHarder

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    I tend to like gauges...(baby boomer generator; we're old, like to write in complete sentences...). Jason/DOB likes the NGauge. I installed an AEM 30-4900 AFR/Boost Gauge (two for one gauge - if you're going to boost you really need a wideband to monitor AFR's). I also monitor IAT's using a VLS Intercooler dual temp gauge.

    They're always coming up with new ways to send data to a cellphone so there may be something out that that'll meet your needs.
     
  15. Enfield

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    In an earlier life I was an English teacher, so complete sentences come naturally to hand. It looks like quite a few of the members here are also of the senior persuasion.

    Maybe this site's search function can help locate an interface that will send necessary data to a custom phone display. The tuner of my DD insisted on boost and AFR gauges. It's got matching GlowShift's in a custom pod; while it's fun to watch it go to 18#, there's really no special need. I should think there's even less need for a dedicated gauge on a system set for 8-10# and only used on the street.

    Jason Etter had nothing good to say about the prospects for success with a used Saleen VI, as no one can fix some of their more common problems - integrated blower/intercooler and all. He must have written his favorable review of that system several years ago.

    I'm starting to bring the suspension up to snuff now: control arms, bushings, and struts/shocks. After that I may just buy an SCT and get with Lito to optimize the N/A, following DinoDino's lead.
     
  16. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    My car has been running the Saleen series VI S/C going on 15 years. Doesn't appear to have any of the common problems with integrated blower/intercooler and such as Jason Etter claims. The GT450 DOB kit aka OEM 2007-09 Shelby GT500 Eaton S/C has been around just as long as the Saleen series VI S/C. So how is it that he gave the Saleen series VI a favorable review several years ago, but since then has claimed the opposite about it. Has the design of the Eaton DOB GT450 S/C changed in anyway since originally making it's debut in the 2007-2009 Shelby GT500? I think not!
     
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  17. Pentalab

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    Where is DOB getting all these used 2007-2009 GT-500 M122 blower's from ? Is there that many 07-09 GT-500's that have had their blower's swapped to whipples, tvs, etc ? M122 is a 122 cubic inch displacement blower. 1 litre = 61 ci. The M122 is a 2.0 litre displacement blower...which is a good size for a 4.6 L eng.
     
  18. Enfield

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    Since I've been looking for S197 S/C's - about 8 months - there have always been a few M122's on FB or CL within 5-6 hours of home. Many more than M90's. There was an M90 for sale on here, but seller removed it; he had done that a few years ago, too. A guy in TN actually had a complete M90 kit still on the car that he was offering for a good price if the buyer came to TN and helped him with his M122 upgrade. Then Nashville shut down.

    Meanwhile, the Series VI seller on FB gave a one-word response to my first question and then went silent. There was a Whipple kit on eBay for an attractive price, but the seller was less than cooperative and had a very brief record: only 4 transactions. That listing has been removed as well. Pretty hard to buy or sell used in the age of C19!

    Quote from Jason: "Rebuilding Saleen blowers is getting to be impossible. In the last few years I have had a lot of Saleen guys pull they [sic] Saleen and put a GT450 on because they couldn't get it serviced or it cost so much it didn't make sense." Not a whole lot different than conversations with tech guys at Roush, who recommend going no older than the 2.3 Eatons.
     
  19. DieHarder

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    Actually, it has (DOB 450 manifolds anyway). Gen 2 has a few significant improvements like separated the rad water from the intake manifold and added optional composite heat barriers (helps reduce heat soak). Jason could tell you more of course. I use a G2 manifold and M122. Thinking about upgrading but want/need to upgrade to forged components first. Anyone out there that builds short blocks for 3v's? or can recommend a good engine rebuilder around the great lakes?

    https://www.departmentofboost.com/product/gt450-m-supercharger-system/
     
  20. 06 T-RED S/C GT

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    The info that Jason from DOB provided is full of bullshit. There are 3 sources that rebuild Saleen series VI blowers. PSE superchargers in Edmund, OK. 281 Motorsports in Fullerton, CA. and Whipple superchargers also rebuilds them. The internals of the Saleen VI blowers are actually from the Lysholm 2300 twin screw S/C which the internal parts are still manufactured by Lysholm. Saleen performance parts also has a series VI rebuild kit in stock.

    http://www.psesuperchargers.com/Products/Saleen-Mustang-2005-2009-V8.htm

    https://www.facebook.com/MustangPerformance/ http://www.281m.com/contacts/

    https://whipplesuperchargers.com

    https://www.saleenperformance.com/c...cts/saleen-series-vi-supercharger-rebuild-kit



    Wasn't referring to the DOB GT450 manifold. I was actually referring to the Eaton M122 blower itself that DOB includes as part of their GT450 kit. The point I was attempting to get across was the Eaton M122 which was also the OEM blower for the 2007-09 Shelby GT500 was around during the same time as the Saleen series VI S/C. Jason Etter from DOB gave the Saleen series VI S/C a favorable review on his website a few years ago, but has since recanted by claiming he has nothing good to say about them. Therefore, if the Saleen VI blowers are in fact getting impossible to rebuild as Jason claims? then the same could also be said for the Eaton M122 2.3 units as well. Also how is that DOB has so many Eaton M122 2.3 blowers in stock? Must be a good reason behind so many GT500 owners have sold/upgraded from their Eaton M122 blowers to either Whipple, TVS or Kenne Bell :shrug:
     
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