Comprehensive IC Water Pump/System Test Data

[Department Of Boost]

34 x 7 x 2 1/8" IF MY QUICK RESEARCH IS ACCURATE.



Sorry for yelling.

Can't be 34" wide. You can't fit that in there. It may be 34" with tanks, maybe. But not 34" of core width. That's HUGE. Our cores are 22.5" wide. And those are big.

And to compare core size with the other core sizes I have recorded I need the actual core dimensions, not the outside dimensions. As far as thickness goes I like to use tube size opposed to core thickness too. I core can measure 3" thick but only have 2.5" of tube. That makes a big difference when trying to make apples to apples comparisons.

 

[Pentalab]

This is probably why your recovery sucks. I've only seen pictures but I don't think that HE has much capacity. How thick are the tubes (core)?

Dunno about the tube diam, but the core is 1" thick. Kelly at BMR uses the same HE on his 2015, along with the complete Roush blower kit, except the pump, which is from the 13/14 GT-500. He tells us in the other thread that it recovers very quickly. The Roush HE is 18" tall x 21" wide, by 1" thick, but that is max outside dimensions. The actual core area is aprx 16.5" tall x 19.75" . It gets hit by air from the upper grille + lower grille.

Roush used that same HE on it's 2010 M90 kits..and also the 10-15 cars with the TVS-2300. Roush used the tiny HE on the 05-09 M90 kits and also 2300 kits, it's junk, way too small, like 6" tall, 1" thick, and fairly wide...very similar to the 07-09 GT-500 HE.

 

[eighty6gt]

I don't believe any heat exchanger would deal with what I was talking about. Like I've mentioned, I would bet that I could spend untold thousands trying to make an improvement and based on what I use the car for it would never pay me back.

 

[pacettr]

Can't be 34" wide. You can't fit that in there. It may be 34" with tanks, maybe. But not 34" of core width. That's HUGE. Our cores are 22.5" wide. And those are big.

And to compare core size with the other core sizes I have recorded I need the actual core dimensions, not the outside dimensions. As far as thickness goes I like to use tube size opposed to core thickness too. I core can measure 3" thick but only have 2.5" of tube. That makes a big difference when trying to make apples to apples comparisons.

Dual 10" fans...

 

[Pentalab]

If those are 10" fans, the HE would be 45" across..by almost 10" tall.

If they are 6" fans, then the HE would be aprx 27" wide x 5.75" tall.

 

[pacettr]

If those are 10" fans, the HE would be 45" across..by almost 10" tall.

If they are 6" fans, then the HE would be aprx 27" wide x 5.75" tall.

I need to just measure.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Bump

 

[weather man]

Link for the interested and so I can find again, LOL.

http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEforumfiles/showthread.php?2029-Intercooler-pump-flow-testing-results

 

[weather man]

Have at it math nerds.

http://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/heat-exchanger.html

 

[weather man]

Could you talk a little about how this pump works? Is it preprogrammed or can the user program? Is it just wired always on?

Stewart EMP High Volume Intercooler Pump

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[Department Of Boost]

It's already programmed at 26 amps (the big setting). You will be running it as constant on. The pump itself can be controlled by a CAN setup to do whatever you want it to do (pulse width, etc) but I don't know of any way of controlling it that way. Not with our ECU's.

 

[Riptide]

I can "see in my head" why you can't move the water too fast but I can't verbalize it.

How about this.

The water in the system is connected. Consider it to be one solid object. While you can't move it too fast you can move it too slow. Moving it too slow creates hot spots. But if you keep it moving fast enough the heat is not only spread around efficiently through the entire system but is shed at the maximum possible rate.

Or how about this. Think of it as a water loop. Shaped just like a doughnut. Put a blowtorch on one end and liquid nitrogen on the other. If it rotates quickly then no single spot gets super hot or super cold. If it rotates too slowly however you burn spots and the temperature is not distributed evenly throughout.

 

[weather man]

It's already programmed at 26 amps (the big setting). You will be running it as constant on. The pump itself can be controlled by a CAN setup to do whatever you want it to do (pulse width, etc) but I don't know of any way of controlling it that way. Not with our ECU's.

Would that be the max amps it could draw? Any idea what it typically draws?

 

[Department Of Boost]

Would that be the max amps it could draw? Any idea what it typically draws?

That's what it draws all the time.

 

[weather man]

That's what it draws all the time.

OK, note to self, big fucking wire to intercooler pump!

 

[hamish]

Could you talk a little about how this pump works? Is it preprogrammed or can the user program? Is it just wired always on?



I think the software for configuration programming is free from stewart.
In order to utilize the Can Bus Comm system you would probably need a programmable controller.

How to integrate it with the OEM system...no idea.
If you had access to the OEM processor you may be able to configure it to send a control signal.

Or access other PID's to determine control stategy.

A stand alone Can Bus programmer with analog or digital input signals is by no means impossible.

 

[weather man]

That's what it draws all the time.

This was from the lingenfelter website....

"Stewart EMP E2512A DC brushless intercooler pump that is reprogrammed by LPE to raise the current & pump RPM limit.

This advanced computer controlled electric water pump can flow 25 gallons per minute @ 12 amps utilizes 1 inch inlet and outlets."

That seems to be close to what you recorded with the 1.25" lines? Bigger hose means less amp draw due to lower restriction?

 

[808muscle]

Looks like I need to upgrade my pump. Seems this would help with consisantcy while bracket reading. Little hotbox m90 needs all the help it can get.

 

[Department Of Boost]

This was from the lingenfelter website....

"Stewart EMP E2512A DC brushless intercooler pump that is reprogrammed by LPE to raise the current & pump RPM limit.

This advanced computer controlled electric water pump can flow 25 gallons per minute @ 12 amps utilizes 1 inch inlet and outlets."

That seems to be close to what you recorded with the 1.25" lines? Bigger hose means less amp draw due to lower restriction?

That's probably an open flow figure. I.E., zero restriction. I have yet to see any claimed numbers anywhere near what they actually make while hooked into a IC system. So useless data.

 

[808muscle]

For the guys that have this 2013 GT500 pump. Did you order the mounting and support brackets as well? These are the 3 listed at tascaparts.com


DR3Z-8N500-B SUPPORT BRACKET, RIGHT
5.8 LITER
$19.93 $13.75
9 DR3Z-8N500-C SUPPORT BRACKET, LEFT
5.8 LITER
$12.45 $8.59
10 DR3Z-8N500-A MOUNT BRACKET
5.8 LITER
$35.52 $24.51