SoundGuyDave
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I know I've said this before, and I'll say it again, just for full disclosure: I am NOT suggesting that a Watts link is an ineffective mod, particularly in an autocross setting; I'm playing devil's advocate at this point, hoisting the PHB flag...
That said, I'd like to suggest that we throw some numbers out there and actually quantify the benefits (or lack thereof) gained with the Watts link. My car is inaccessible at the moment, so I have nothing to measure. I think, though, if we can come up with a rough length of an installed PHB, using Pythagorean theorem, we can determine EXACTLY how much axle displacement we're really talking about at a variety of suspension jounce/rebound heights. I'll go out on a limb, and say that with a suspension that's tightened down (race mode) to around 3" total variance, we're not going to see that much motion.
Next topic: For modeling purposes, what should we use to factor in bushing displacement between rubber, poly and steel (Heim)? I'm thinking we can use a percentage of total bushing outside diameter and simply add that to the net displacement. For example, with a Watts you will have a theoretical ZERO lateral displacement from the geometry, and have only bushing displacement. If we assume a 2" bushing diameter (actual measurements, anyone?), and 6.25% displacement with poly bushings, that equates to a 1/8" net lateral movement. Per bushing. Assuming four bushings in play (two ends, times two lateral link members), that equates to a full 1/2" of lateral motion. Now, with a rod-ended PHB, we'll assume theoretical ZERO bushing compression, and just work the geometry. Assuming a roughly flat nominal bar angle, and a 38" length, which becomes the hypotenuse under suspension deflection, and looking for that same .500" lateral displacement, you would need something like 6" of vertical suspension motion at the PHB chassis-side mount. 6"? Really? To get the same amount of "slop" as you would from a poly-bushed Watts? Hmmm... Even if you use a poly-bushed PHB, with the same compression factor, two bushings for a net 1/4" displacement, then the remaining 1/4" of axle offset would require more than 4" of vertical travel. Somebody PLEASE check my numbers!!!
Total deflection is 1/2" (.500). 1/4" is bushing deflection, therefore, the remaining 1/4" must come from the geometry shift. Asq+Bsq=Csq. A is the distance between the chassis- and axle-side Panhard bar mounts as measured on the ground, B is the vertical rise (or droop) of the chassis vs. the axle mount, and C is the length of the Panhard bar.
To get 1/4" of lateral offset, we need to have the A distance being .250" shorter than the C distance of 38" (actual length TBD), thus, 37.750". Csq (1444) minus Asq (1425.063) yields a Bsq of 18.9375, and the sqrt of that yields a B dimension of 4.35. With a locked-down suspension, with race-level spring rates, I seriously doubt you're going to see that much suspension travel. I seriously doubt that there's even that much compression stroke available from the dampers. Remember, these numbers are at the PHB mounts, NOT the quarter panels! If you extend the base leg of the triangle by 18" (guess at distance), that would yield more than 5-1/4" of travel relative to rest to get 1/2" of axle displacement...
That said, I'd like to suggest that we throw some numbers out there and actually quantify the benefits (or lack thereof) gained with the Watts link. My car is inaccessible at the moment, so I have nothing to measure. I think, though, if we can come up with a rough length of an installed PHB, using Pythagorean theorem, we can determine EXACTLY how much axle displacement we're really talking about at a variety of suspension jounce/rebound heights. I'll go out on a limb, and say that with a suspension that's tightened down (race mode) to around 3" total variance, we're not going to see that much motion.
Next topic: For modeling purposes, what should we use to factor in bushing displacement between rubber, poly and steel (Heim)? I'm thinking we can use a percentage of total bushing outside diameter and simply add that to the net displacement. For example, with a Watts you will have a theoretical ZERO lateral displacement from the geometry, and have only bushing displacement. If we assume a 2" bushing diameter (actual measurements, anyone?), and 6.25% displacement with poly bushings, that equates to a 1/8" net lateral movement. Per bushing. Assuming four bushings in play (two ends, times two lateral link members), that equates to a full 1/2" of lateral motion. Now, with a rod-ended PHB, we'll assume theoretical ZERO bushing compression, and just work the geometry. Assuming a roughly flat nominal bar angle, and a 38" length, which becomes the hypotenuse under suspension deflection, and looking for that same .500" lateral displacement, you would need something like 6" of vertical suspension motion at the PHB chassis-side mount. 6"? Really? To get the same amount of "slop" as you would from a poly-bushed Watts? Hmmm... Even if you use a poly-bushed PHB, with the same compression factor, two bushings for a net 1/4" displacement, then the remaining 1/4" of axle offset would require more than 4" of vertical travel. Somebody PLEASE check my numbers!!!
Total deflection is 1/2" (.500). 1/4" is bushing deflection, therefore, the remaining 1/4" must come from the geometry shift. Asq+Bsq=Csq. A is the distance between the chassis- and axle-side Panhard bar mounts as measured on the ground, B is the vertical rise (or droop) of the chassis vs. the axle mount, and C is the length of the Panhard bar.
To get 1/4" of lateral offset, we need to have the A distance being .250" shorter than the C distance of 38" (actual length TBD), thus, 37.750". Csq (1444) minus Asq (1425.063) yields a Bsq of 18.9375, and the sqrt of that yields a B dimension of 4.35. With a locked-down suspension, with race-level spring rates, I seriously doubt you're going to see that much suspension travel. I seriously doubt that there's even that much compression stroke available from the dampers. Remember, these numbers are at the PHB mounts, NOT the quarter panels! If you extend the base leg of the triangle by 18" (guess at distance), that would yield more than 5-1/4" of travel relative to rest to get 1/2" of axle displacement...