The Mustang shenanigans of a Bavarian

[DE_Marcus]

... the problem is not the "opening" ..it is the height of the lid.

Yes I understood that...... still, where would you route the wires through with the lid on?

But if my buddy can 3D-Print me a different lid like I said we would also solve that problem at the same time.

 

[brasil]

the lid has to be aprox. 10 mm higher in the upper ( towards the windshield ) section.. the section that starts just after those big relays . In the upper section you will find most of the " unused " fuses

 

[DE_Marcus]

Loosly wired up the sequential module with the sockets and put in the switchback LEDs to see if everything works:

Also finalised the wiring in theory and decided on how to color code.
Ordered all the wiring plus a simple relay to temporarely have the rear foglight operational (is only allowed on if at least parking lights are on).
Will put in the final wiring once I have a proper switch made for it.


Also what the hell do you guys put into the A/C-Systems over there??? I never had a A/C-Line be forzen like that before..... Even next to the exhaust manifold it was frozen....

 

[brasil]

Loosly wired up the sequential module with the sockets and put in the switchback LEDs to see if everything works:

Also finalised the wiring in theory and decided on how to color code.
Ordered all the wiring plus a simple relay to temporarely have the rear foglight operational (is only allowed on if at least parking lights are on).
Will put in the final wiring once I have a proper switch made for it.


Also what the hell do you guys put into the A/C-Systems over there??? I never had a A/C-Line be forzen like that before..... Even next to the exhaust manifold it was frozen....View attachment 109657

The signal lights look terrific !

About the A/C .. perhaps propane /buthane inside. Cools like hell...

 

[DE_Marcus]

The signal lights look terrific !

About the A/C .. perhaps propane /buthane inside. Cools like hell...

They better do with all the shit I'm going through to get it like that.... (they already do)

I was kind of just joking about that but do they really put that stuff in there? And how would I figure out if I have it in? I don't want some shop at some point to fuck something up if I ever need a refill....

 

[brasil]

..the "recharge " from EASY FILL from Poland for example ..ist Propane Buthane.
The easiest way to be save, is to refill the system with R134a .

 

[DE_Marcus]

Brightness matched the LEDs (right) to the normal incandescent bulbs (left). They look like a different color on photo but are actually the same irl. LEDs do reflect better off the reflectors in the housing so it look fuller illuminated.

Currently waiting on my clear front turn signals (for two months now) aswell as my color spec'd wires to built the harness



If anybody knows a good box to hide all the electronics (modules, resistors and what not) which has like a OEM Module look to it let me know!

 

[GriffX]

..the "recharge " from EASY FILL from Poland for example ..ist Propane Buthane.
The easiest way to be save, is to refill the system with R134a .

Just refilled with R290/R600a, no problem so far, what should you expect? The fluorinated compounds was always money making from Dow and others. How to get rid of the dammed fluorid from the aluminum production? Oh, lets put it in the water, or in the fridge

 

[GriffX]

Also what the hell do you guys put into the A/C-Systems over there??? I never had a A/C-Line be forzen like that before..... Even next to the exhaust manifold it was frozen....

Take a look at the dryer below that lines. There can be a lot of water. I sprayed some corrosion protection inside that plastic box.

 

[AndiObb]

Hi @DE_Marcus did you make progress here? Season reaches it´s end soon and for sure you´d like to take her out for a ride before

 

[DE_Marcus]

...did you make progress here?...

I wanted to make an update here anyways. TÜV appointment is on 10/10 (funnily enough it's the Stangs birthday aswell) so it's gonna be tight, but If I can drive the car in at least the last week of october (where I'm off work) I've reached my goal.


So for the most part I've been researching and figuring out more about how the electronics work in the car. Plus just planing out where to mount all the electronics, how to run the wiring and what else I need to integrate/solve to have no DTCs or anything else like that.
Surprisingly the SJB monitors some of the lighting on the car and all of it in different ways. The tail lights circuits are sensitive to resistance, with each single socket having different testing voltages. The third brake light is just checking for a complete circuit and the side markers aren't monitored at all......


Best Example the front turn signals:
After two months the clear housings finally arrived. (Yes I know it's dusty, don't look at the penis drawn on the hood)




Since the front parking lights can't be amber I got these fully clear housings and swapped the clear 3157 with a amber 3156. (and snapped both connector unlock tabs for the sockets in the process..... why tf are motorcraft connectors 30$ each???)
Just had to shorten the side tabs so it would slide into the socket securly. What was the side marker will now be the front parking light.

Weirdly enough the SJB only monitors the turn signal circuit, so no DTCs from the GEM for the front lighting. Just a almost straight parts swap. I was completly expecting to need to add load resistors for that, even bought the sockets and connectors to put in between the original car harness and the socket in the housings.... well... luckily I didn't get expensive ones.
It'll be the only thing noticable from the german road law compliant conversion, but I'll try to somehow get the orange ones back because they just look cooler.



The same day (Aug 29th) I went to talk to the TÜV guy if and how everything should exactly be. I expected the worst and got back really good news. Most of what I want to do will be no Problem and most importantly I don't need to stamp in the VIN on the frame, making the whole conversion 100% reversable with no signs of tampering if ever needed or wanted.
There's only 3 things:
1. Turn signals can't override the brake lights on one side. (If I understood it correctly. Will talk to him again when we got the car there aswell)
2. The front Fogs will either need to have a certificarte that they meet ECE-R19, be swapped for ones that do or permanently deactivated
and 3. I need something up front where the car can be towed



For 1. I found a solution, which is even sold for 2015+ Mustangs here in germany with certification:

It'll basically be the same just the brake being the middle and outer chambers while the turn signal will be the inner most chamber. (Aswell as the rear fog being in the left reverse chamber, like I wanted to do from the beginning.)

But since I can't really do that with the current LED bulbs I have I will have to leave the sequential turn signal out for now and only have the inner chamber flash.
The Problem with the current LEDs is that they have a delay when switching from amber to red which IS NOT OKAY FOR BRAKE LIGHTS. And since I want red/amber bulbs and not white/amber bulbs (to differentiate the colors better) and no one sells the ones I need I'll have to contact someone to have them custom made over the winter.



For 2..... I got the certificate. The Managing Director of the company that sells these told me they had the certificate made years ago for one guy in switzerland who payed 2.4k before taxes for it. No one else since has asked for it, they all swap or delete them and they're still in the negative for it. I'm the second person to want that certificate lol.



And for 3. I got the SVE Tow Hook from LMR.com. Which I'll be able to hide nicely behind the front license plate bracket.

Plus it's another reason why I NEED to have the bracket - for pedestrian crash protection so I unfortunatly I can't run the ugly standard german license plate in the front and NEED the better looking smaller one..... oh how unfortunate.... *insert the most extrem obvious sarcasm ever known to man*
I'll update on that once it's arrived and mounted.



So most of the time it's just been boring research and rethinking everything.
BUT I also treated myself to a NOS 07-09 GT500 Steering Wheel and got the ProCal Tool with the retune for my Ford Racing CAI sent on the way here together with the tow hook.
Also right now I'm having a custom dash and firewall data plaque made with my name and signature on it to finalize the whole thing and just attach my name to the car for the rest of time.

 

[GriffX]

The local authorities are making the rules. I didn't need a fog light approval and also no tow hook.

 

[brasil]

..about the towing hook. My S197 has the hook attached at the frontaxle crossmember. A simple piece of steel . two holes..one for the nut /bold that holds the " hook/bracket and the big one for a rope..or whatever to tow the car..

and the fog lights..like all your lights don´t have any ECE certificate.. only SAE . There for the TUV writes the following : XXXXXX nicht Bauart geprüft. In etwa Wirkung nachgewiesen. Ausnahmegenehmigung erforderlich. Das selbe für Verglasung, Gurte , Bremsen.. usw.

TUV writes the following : xxxxx. not "STVZO Approved .. works as it should. Special permit necessary... the same for windows, Seat belts..brakes.. aso...

At the end no problem at all... just paperwork ( we have to pay for -of course )

 

[DE_Marcus]

The local authorities are making the rules. I didn't need a fog light approval and also no tow hook.

I don't know where you're from but since it's front facing lighting it's either certificate, delete or replace. Tow Hook didn't need to be the final solution (but I think it will be) but I need to have it.
And even with the "chill" TÜV guy it was like that. But I'd rather have to deal with that than have to screw on a NSL to the bumper lol.
Keep in mind I'm working with TÜV Süd here.... so it's legal but strechted as far as possible. So if I ever get stopped by the police they can't do shit and I will be stopped since I'm a 24 year old in a Mustang.....

..about the towing hook. My S197 has the hook attached at the frontaxle crossmember. A simple piece of steel . two holes..one for the nut /bold that holds the " hook/bracket and the big one for a rope..or whatever to tow the car..

and the fog lights..like all your lights don´t have any ECE certificate.. only SAE . There for the TUV writes the following : XXXXXX nicht Bauart geprüft. In etwa Wirkung nachgewiesen. Ausnahmegenehmigung erforderlich. Das selbe für Verglasung, Gurte , Bremsen.. usw.

TUV writes the following : xxxxx. not "STVZO Approved .. works as it should. Special permit necessary... the same for windows, Seat belts..brakes.. aso...

At the end no problem at all... just paperwork ( we have to pay for -of course )

But isn't that really low and behind the front bumper? Wouldn't that damage anything if the rope is angeled upwards? And I don't remember there being any holes in the crossmember that could work like that or maybe I'm thinking wrong.


I know none of the lights have any ECE certificates, but when I bought the data sheet for the Mustang it has the ECE Test for low and high beams included and I thought fogs aswell but they were seperate because like I said no one gets it.

Funny enough the woman on the phone first had to ask someone else for it since she's never dealt with that, who she told me just started laughing and afterwards she asked me if I was from Bavaria (which I am) which afterwards she was like "that explains it". Like I said in the end it went to the The Managing Director.
Maybe they are more chill in the north but not here.

I actually have: "mit Halogen-HSW, Kennz. SAE HR 05 MG VOR H13 DOT, Etwa-Wirkung d.Gutachten nachgewiesen" for the low and high beam
and "Abw.v.d.StVZO: §49a(1): Anbau abweichend von ECE-R 48; §50(8): LWR fehlt; §51A(1/6): Seitenrückstr./Seitenmark.-Leuchten hinten rot; Ausnahmegenehm. gem. §70" for special permition.
For the fogs I have the extra certificate with: "Nebelscheinwerfer Kennz. SAE F 05 MG FORD vorschriftsmäßig (Einhaltung d. ECE-19 fotometrisch und werkstofftechnisch nach Anh.6 nachgewiesen)"


There's already enough stuff being specially permitted and I'm glad I get the one for no punched in VIN and all the other stuff with the real tail lights. I'm not gonna start pushing my luck begging with the front fogs, especially with how strict everything is when it comes to the lights.
I might swap back to the amber turn/parking/side marker housing and take the clear ones with me to ask if I can get the stock ones as a special permit, since I can swap those on the fly if needed but that's gonna be all.

Everything else is done to the "okay" from the inspector. It's not gonna be the last time I'm there so I don't wanna piss them off already.
I don't mind paying if I can get the stuff I want.

 

[brasil]

... never heard about the fog lights...
And for the towing hook... How do the towing guys handle the Mustangs in the US ? Even without a hook ?? As I said, something that looks like a hook... is good enough to keep the "TUV INSPEKTOR " calm..

 

[DE_Marcus]

... never heard about the fog lights...
And for the towing hook... How do the towing guys handle the Mustangs in the US ? Even without a hook ?? As I said, something that looks like a hook... is good enough to keep the "TUV INSPEKTOR " calm..

You can look at the TÜV-Website for Imports that's basically what I'm working with and for the most part how I have to do things.

As far as I've heared they just put the straps on suspension components. Bunch of people who have damaged control arms from that. But that's just what I heared.....

 

[GriffX]

AFAIK it is depending on the county DMV what kind of permissions they want to see. I wasn't able to get permission for the red rear and front yellow side markers (I activated they anyway).
The DMV of horror are Munich and Giessen. Even if you move to Munich with an already registered car, you have to show them more permissions than elsewhere.
Unelected bureaucrats.....

 

[brasil]

my car has rear red and amber font side markers. From the beginning in 2009.. never had any problems

 

[DE_Marcus]

AFAIK it is depending on the county DMV what kind of permissions they want to see. I wasn't able to get permission for the red rear and front yellow side markers (I activated they anyway).
The DMV of horror are Munich and Giessen. Even if you move to Munich with an already registered car, you have to show them more permissions than elsewhere.
Unelected bureaucrats.....

Yup. Luckily I'm not Munich but there are also more chill ones than Rosenheim.....
But does that mean you have the amber parking light?

my car has rear red and amber font side markers. From the beginning in 2009.. never had any problems

The rear reds are no problem at all and front amber SIDE MARKERS would also not a problem. The amber PARKING LIGHTS are technically not allowed. THAT is the problem since its all in a amber housing and technically it shines yellow to the front which is also not allowed. Unless I change the housing or put other bulbs somewhere else it wouldn't work UNLESS I get the special permit for it.
I'll try, maybe he's cool like that.... hopefully

 

[GriffX]

But does that mean you have the amber parking light?

In the front yes. I soldered the wires back together after the DMV approval. TÜV didn't care. In the StvZO is written that red sidemarkers at the rear are only allowed when they are inside the back light housing and not separated. And that the front side markers must be separated from the blinker, or so. (?)