Chasing a 5.0

[skwerl]

Just wait a little while and their mt-82 will probably grenade. You'll be able to just cruise on by.

Your smurf car looks great, John.

 

[Johnf78]

Lol. Thanks Brian

 

[Unreal]

Too bad hoping the tranny blows up only applies to the manuals, and not the freaking awesome autos.

IMO it wouldn't be cost effective. Sell the car and upgrade to a coyote or go FI/Spray.

 

[BruceH]

You could build a Big Bore standard stroke for around $5000. That includes the block, rods, pistons, frpp cnc heads, gaskets, and machining. With a bore of 3.701 and stroke of 3.543 it would be oversquare which helps to unshroud the valves and provide better airflow for the motor. It also gives a displacement of 304 cubic inches.

It doesn't follow your stock motor wish but it should have enough power to beat a Coyote with all else being equal like tires, etc. Combine it with 4.10 or 4.56 gears and you would have a fast na 3v. The iron block adds about 70lbs.

 

[Jason09GT]

Really it sounds like a guy looking to do a forged motor build for f/i, really can't go wrong with doing a big bore like Bruce stated. The price difference honestly isn't that much, and I would bet that the big bore setup would run a lot harder than the other.

 

[MassMustang]

Nothing in my near future (three kids with braces) but I thought a trip to Brenspeed for a B326 makeover would be a shitload of fun!

 

[Twin_Screwed_Cobra]

You could build a Big Bore standard stroke for around $5000. That includes the block, rods, pistons, frpp cnc heads, gaskets, and machining. With a bore of 3.701 and stroke of 3.543 it would be oversquare which helps to unshroud the valves and provide better airflow for the motor. It also gives a displacement of 304 cubic inches.

It doesn't follow your stock motor wish but it should have enough power to beat a Coyote with all else being equal like tires, etc. Combine it with 4.10 or 4.56 gears and you would have a fast na 3v. The iron block adds about 70lbs.

For that price I might just get a Zex kit and hope he never gets boosted. Could that kind of build still retain stock-ish drive ability? I was looking around at MMR and their long blocks seem to be pretty potent.

Man the coyotes are scary. Ive raced one and he was bone stock from a dig to 80 I had him by about 1 to maybe 1.5 car lengths and Ive got quite a few bolt ons.

What all do you have?

 

[Doug M]

Don't worry 3v guys. The coyote is only twice the car..lol

 

[Riptide]

lol no kidding

I upgraded too but I honestly wasn't bowled over. It's a better car sure.. Maybe coming from a 450whp 3v kind of dulled my enthusiasm? Dunno. I'm a tough customer I guess.

 

[Doug M]

^^I hear you Brother. ..lol

 

[BruceH]

Driveability is mostly tuner dependent. I ran my 322 big bore stroker na with cams and didn't have any problems. Since adding the dob supercharger it's become a little fussy in the idle department. I can still drive it in traffic just fine but can't get the isc values correct to prevent a small amount of idle surge and hunt at higher speeds.

I'll keep experimenting until it's as good as it can get. Anyway, the answer is yes, it can be made just as driveable as a stock bore 3v.

Many people on this site have had bad experiences with mmr. I think this is the only site that doesn't protect them against bad press which is why this might be the first time you have heard to be careful with them.

For that price I might just get a Zex kit and hope he never gets boosted. Could that kind of build still retain stock-ish drive ability? I was looking around at MMR and their long blocks seem to be pretty potent.



What all do you have?

 

[Jinx]

My two cents....coming from a 490-525 rwhp whippled 3v, I like my A6 coyote better even in stock form. It's more refined and if it only gets considerably better with mods from here then it hard to look back. Yes the whipple 3v was faster, but not by so much I feel that a full bolt-on and Quality tuned A6 coyote couldn't beat it. I truly feel if I was to attempt to play catch up to a coyote, n/a to n/a...that the 3v would be at a loss; unless your attempted Bruce's idea; but even then I would still looking for FI, because the coyote still can lose weight itself, go with a cobra jet setup and disappoint that big bore build. Even worse with a comp cam stage 3 without limiters on a AED or RevAuto tune to push it near 500 rwhp. That's mostly likely my target.


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[Department Of Boost]

This is my Coyote with a tune and a cat back vs. our shop car 3v with $3700 worth of blower. Same dyno, same day.

I should have shot some video. With some DR's and the super short gearing in the Coyote it would run really good at the track and probably be almost as fast as the 3v. But on the street it's not even a contest. Race them from a 2nd gear roll and the 3v checks out. And that is with me driving the Coyote.

I like my Coyote a lot. I also like having the MOUNTAINS of torque of a PD blown 3v.

 

[Grabber]

I don't believe an N/A 3V being your average run of the mill car will be able to beat a Stock 5.0. Unless you are Matt D with a completely gutted car, extreme gearing, slicks/skinnies and every bolt-on imaginable with Cams, that race will not be in your favor.

As my 5.0 sits right now, I would love to race a modded/well set-up Blown 3V. I feel I could beat one straight up. I've also had 2 Blown GT's (07 GT Auto and 05 GT manual). My 05 made 456 RWHP on 8 PSI, full exhaust, suspension, gears, good tires, aggressive tune, etc. My 5.0 feels a lot faster and pulls a lot harder than my 3V did, ESPECIALLY up top. The 3V is a good drag car/light-to-light car, but, hitting triple digits, the 5.0 has a large advantage and will keep pulling.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I don't believe an N/A 3V being your average run of the mill car will be able to beat a Stock 5.0. Unless you are Matt D with a completely gutted car, extreme gearing, slicks/skinnies and every bolt-on imaginable with Cams, that race will not be in your favor.

As my 5.0 sits right now, I would love to race a modded/well set-up Blown 3V. I feel I could beat one straight up. I've also had 2 Blown GT's (07 GT Auto and 05 GT manual). My 05 made 456 RWHP on 8 PSI, full exhaust, suspension, gears, good tires, aggressive tune, etc. My 5.0 feels a lot faster and pulls a lot harder than my 3V did, ESPECIALLY up top. The 3V is a good drag car/light-to-light car, but, hitting triple digits, the 5.0 has a large advantage and will keep pulling.

What gear and trans are you running?

 

[Grabber]

What gear and trans are you running?

6 Speed, 3.73's, courtesy of the Track pack.

 

[Riptide]

Grabber Mishri and I were within a tenth of each other with similar weather. MPH was also right about even IIRC.

Mine:
2006, 8psi kenne bell, kb tune, 1 pc driveshaft, 4.10

Mishri:
2011, boss mani, offroad midpipe, 4.10, email tune, cai

 

[Department Of Boost]

6 Speed, 3.73's, courtesy of the Track pack.

Grabber Mishri and I were within a tenth of each other with similar weather. MPH was also right about even IIRC.

Mine:
2006, 8psi kenne bell, kb tune, 1 pc driveshaft, 4.10

Mishri:
2011, boss mani, offroad midpipe, 4.10, email tune, cai

Gearing a HUGE part here. A MT-82 is geared a LOT shorter than a TR-3650 (or a M6 vs a 5R55S). Like to equal out the gearing of a Coyote/MT82 with 3.73's you would need to run 4.56's behind a 3v/TR3650.

Put a set of 4.56's behind a 3v/blower combo and it will straight up leave a Coyote.

Yeah Coyote's feel fast, they have super short gearing. And they 1/4mi fast, that's what short gearing is for.

 

[Riptide]

My friend's 2011 was an automatic. I was able to out sixty him by 3 tenths. Only reason I didn't leverage that into a solid smack down on ET is due to the fact I was on the stock clutch and transmission and didn't drive the car like I stole it.

Our mph was nearly identical though which to me was the most interesting part of the comparison.

 

[Twin_Screwed_Cobra]

Gearing a HUGE part here. A MT-82 is geared a LOT shorter than a TR-3650 (or a M6 vs a 5R55S). Like to equal out the gearing of a Coyote/MT82 with 3.73's you would need to run 4.56's behind a 3v/TR3650.

That is something I noticed about the MT-82. My buddy has the track pack and he does about 2300 RPM in 6th at 70mph. While I can do the same RPM at almost 80 in 5th. Granted he has 3.73's I still figured he would get lower revs with an extra gear.