10 Speed Automatic issues while on track

Discussion in '2015+ S550 Mustang Chit Chat' started by JJ427R, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. JJ427R

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    Car was checked by local dealer today, all they found was the car shutdown due to high engine temperature. They had a P0217 error code. He also tried to tell me that the P0600 error code was an aftermarket error??? Told him there is nothing aftermarket on the car, it's still completely stock. He didn't know what to say...
    All he could say was to drive it and see if any problems return... Pretty much what I figured would happen.

    I have not tried the coolant thing, I'm in MN so need anti freeze for winter.
    I do run my fan while on the track.

    I didn't want to have to do anything to this car, was hoping stock it would be more capable than it is, and for $40k it should be.
    Not sure what I'll do at this point but I'll probably sell it....
     
  2. fdjizm

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    WTF is an "aftermarket error" lol
     
  3. Norm Peterson

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    The dealer probably considers hand controls to be "aftermarket" unless they're specifically a special production line option (complete with a code not readily available on the regular order sheet). Any chance that something in the installation of your hand controls is behind the P0600?

    I have no idea what might be involved in reworking the controls or even their design such that they don't send "unexpected" data to the ECM or any other module. Perhaps one of the hand control connections or even one of its components has an intermittent that the far greater g's experienced on track are screwing with that normal street driving won't.

    I dare suggest that most anybody qualified to fit a car with hand controls is not going to expect any of the cars he might ever work on to see 20 minute track sessions where 1g is repeatedly approached/exceeded unless he was specifically informed of that intended use ahead of time.

    FWIW, I have seen at least one person in your situation running at a track day.


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  4. Racer47

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    From https://www.obd-codes.com/p0600

    P0600 - Occurs when the service manager is full of shit

    Actually it's "This code indicates a malfunction in the wiring link between the electronic control module (ECM) and one of its supporting control modules. On board diagnostics (OBD) trouble code P0600 is generic by design and encompasses all computer-controlled vehicles."
     
  5. JJ427R

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    Nothing with the hand controls would generate a code, the hand controls just attach to the armature of the current pedals and the steering column, the pedals are still in place so my wife can drive it. My tilt on steering is no longer functional and lower knee panel w/airbag is removed.
    I rock back on lever for throttle (turns 180*) and push forward for brake, so throttle and brake can be controlled simultaneously, great for power braking and doing burnouts... :)

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  6. JJ427R

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    That is what I've seen as well and I'm going to let the service manager know that today.
     
  7. JJ427R

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    I just spoke with that manager, he stated it could be about 5 different things, but all they showed was it shutdown due to engine overheating.
    I told him I had video of the entire day, and it was shifting oddly my first session, and the session it shutdown it was doing it several laps before it quit, and that it gave me no error or warning on transmission, only on engine temp as Warm. He said I can only go off what I see on the diagnostics, asked if I was planning another track day soon and to keep him appraised....
     
  8. Pentalab

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    This is nuts. PCM sez eng is overheating, but auto tranny is in la la land. Eng had to be overheated to
    get into limp mode... but gauges show...'warm'. It would be interesting to know what the eng OIL temp got up to ? Lots of track cars will depict acceptable CHT's + water temps... but oil temps > 300 F.

    One would surmise that a 2018 track car would do the job.... for at least 20 mins on a warm day.
    Heck, it's a NA car. With something like a VMP 2650 blower on it, you would be done by the end of lap 1.
     
  9. JJ427R

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    I with you on all of this. Thing is it was not that hot those days, got up to about 80* and not that humid, plus I did not think I was pushing the car very hard, hell it was my first laps in it. When wearing a helmet you don't hear everything quite as well either, I did not hear how high in gears it would shift itself when I was off the throttle, to the point of really bogging the car down, then I'd go into the corner and start applying brake, it would then have to downshift like 6 gears to get itself back to where it should be. I can understand how that would heat up the trans with the constant shifting.
    This PP1 also has a larger radiator and oil cooler, did not seem to help much.

    The engine temps being high I can't understand. Like you said about the blower thing, my Roush with the M90 and smaller pulley pushing 9lbs does not get as hot as quickly as this did. I at least get 3 or 4 sessions before the 5r55 trans on that freaks out and will shift itself into overdrive, and I've never overheated the engine on the Roush, only the trans, which has an additional B&M Racing cooler on it.... I've run the Roush at 230* engine temps with no issues.
     
  10. Pentalab

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    I didn't realize the PP1 had a larger eng rad..+ eng oil cooler. Without those 2 x items, you would be even worse off...screwed. Worse yet.... since they are already installed, you have no way to improve the cooling. Something is not right. Ford needs to step up to the plate on this one. A plane jane GT wouldn't last on a 50 mile aggressive hwy romp.
     
  11. JJ427R

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    The GT Performance Package includes:

    • 19-inch x 9-inch (F)/19-inch X 9.5-inch (R) Ebony Black-painted Aluminum Wheels
    • 255/40 R19 (F) 275/40R19 (R) Summer Only Tires
    • Brembo™ Six-Piston Front Brake Calipers with Larger Rotors
    • "Engine Spun" Aluminum Instrument Panel
    • Gauge Pack (Oil Pressure and Vacuum)
    • Heavy-duty Front Springs
    • K-Brace
    • Larger Radiator
    • Performance Rear Wing
    • Silver Painted Strut-Tower Brace
    • TORSEN® Differential with 3.73 Axle Ratio (Manual)
    • TORSEN® Differential with 3.55 Axle Ratio (Automatic)
    • Unique Chassis Tuning
    • Unique Stability Control, EPAS and ABS Tuning
    • Upsized Rear Sway Bar
     
  12. 01yellerCobra

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    If you run it again would it be worth taking some datalogs to show what's going on when it starts acting up? At least then you'd have something to show Ford to go along with the codes.
     
  13. JJ427R

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    That is a good idea, except I'm kinda scared to take it on track again....

    After watching the video where the car shutdown today, I only ran 4 laps on track that session (4 miles per lap that's only 16 miles), was on my 5th lap it shutdown, which is one more lap than I though it went.... Was only 14 minutes 25 seconds on track, and not pushing that hard, if that thing can't make a twenty minute session on track that's pathetic. My first session I only ran 5 laps and it had a 1 hour 15 minute cool down between sessions.
     
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  14. Gabe

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    The factory engine oil cooler is worthless. All it does is add a half-quart of oil capacity, doesn't really cool down the oil any.
    Get an aftermarket oil cooler, trans-oil cooler, and diff-oil cooler.
     
  15. Pentalab

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    " The following excerpt was taken directly from the owner's manual of my 2018 Mustang GT PP2:

    "Using your vehicle on a dedicated road course may result in degraded function and failure of major systems such as the engine, transmission and rear axle due to the overheating of these systems. If you intend to use your vehicle on a dedicated road course, we suggest that you equip your vehicle with racing-type coolers to protect these three systems."
     
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  16. JJ427R

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    Go figure they don't put that in the "Track Use" section of the manual though... And WTF, did you read the whole manual to find that?? :)
    And when did you get the 2018 PP2? I need to know more....
     
  17. JJ427R

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    Been thinking a lot about this and this is really a fucked up thing Ford is doing here. Nowhere in their literature or on their website for configuring a vehicle does it mention anything about this (that I can find). The only way I can see you would find this is reading the manual, after you've already purchased the vehicle.
    This is also not mentioned at all in the "Track Use" section of the manual, where it should be, as it also includes information about rear diff and transmission fluid maintenance when running on track. In the track use section they do tell you to change your oil from 5W-20 to 5W-30 when running on track. Why do they not mention the cooling or other fluids here?
    In the Introduction they tell you to change the transmission fluid if running on track and exceeding 15 minute sessions, my car only went 14 minutes before it shutdown, I never made the 15. ;)
    They give you a larger radiator as part of the Performance Packages, but then say in the manual you may need additional cooling? WTF is the larger radiator for?
    Track Mode is for "Track Use Only" but I can't run the car on track without adding additional cooling. What good does track mode do me then?

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  18. Pentalab

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    I did NOT buy a new stang. I just copied and pasted from the mustang6G forum... which dragged on for 19 pages ! (GT-PP2 issues). Lawsuits galore..and now a class action lawsuit for the (1st year) GT-350 owners.... who will also have the GT-PP2 folks like urself added to their list..since it all stems from the same issue....lack of cooling on a ..'track ready' car. The 2nd year GT-350 has all the coolers. The legal outfit that's taken on the lawsuit, has had great success with a ton of automotive fubar.

    A pix was also posted, showing the heat sensor / cabling for the rear end differential. The IRS setup won't shed heat like a stick axle does. Aftermarket diff coolers consist of a 12 vdc pump, and fan cooled small rad, + tubing + AN fittings. Then the aluminum diff cover..with the pair of tapped holes.

    I guess Ford wants track folks to also install an eng OIL cooler as well as 1-2 jumbo sized auto tranny rads... plumbed in series with oem auto tranny rad. ( does it even have one ? ) You will probably require a deeper tranny pan, and an additional 3-4 qts of ATF.

    For a track car, Ford shoulda given u bigger tires than 255 fronts / 275 rears. Front brake cooling ducts should be included on any 'track ready' car.
     
  19. Norm Peterson

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    Here's a link to a post that may help (the whole thread probably does, but this particular post popped up just this morning). Unfortunately there's several fat-finger typing glitches to get past.

    Link


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