Learning to make fast go fast!

[05stroker]

Billy, How much did the et go down after the e85 switch with all other things being the same? Or aren't you at that point yet?

I follow this thread from time to time and it looks like you picked up two tenths with e85 and 3 degrees less timing. Is that correct?

BTW nice times. When does the full cage go in?

Gained 3.5 tenths with e85 3 deg less timing and the bigs and little's(9.97 vs 9.62). To be honest, I don't think the bigs and little's have much to do with it. Look at my 60 fts. The 20" NT05s hook better then the 325 MT ET Streets! So yes 3.5 tenths on e85 and 3 deg less timing. When all is said and done the 20s will go back on for a hell marry! LOL

As for the cage, when they make me or I decide to do some serious racing I guess.

 

[05stroker]

Well, here is my thread to see how fast I can get with my little garage build! LOL

See here if you don't know the details.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4543


I have said all along I wanted to do something different and must say "I DO NOT COCIDER MYSELF A DRAG RACER". I just want to go fast, so the you need slicks and comments like that are not needed. That is why this is being posted here and not in the drag racing section. I hope you can understand.

I started my build and wanted to break 10.0 on drs in street trim (maybe on race gas and tune now though) on my 20" drs. I know this is very ridiculous for most here but, it is what I wanted to do. Again I am not a drag racer by no means. This will serve as the thread to update with my times and see where my goals get me.

This car has most of everything needed to run 9.70s or better with some changes to the setup. I have installed many items that will be tested over the next 6-9 months as I learn to put the power to the ground.

With all that said last weekend the car ran an 11.55 at 129.82 mph. The week before I saw 102 mph in the 1/8. That was with very limited traction from not being able to get a good burnout. In the last page or so of the above mentioned thread that has been addressed. I am going back to the track tomorrow night to retest. I will be on the street tune at 688/595rwhp. The car made roughly 807/635 rwhp on race fuel and that will get tested this fall with slicks and skinnies at the track and not on the 20" DRs.

Keep in mind this is not a thread on how to go fast at the track! I know this is not the ideal way to go fast at the track or win a race but, it is my way. I would honestly like to see a 10.30 at 133 on the DRs and a street tune and a 9.70 at 140 mph on the race tune and slicks and a hell Mary on the race tune and DRs to hit the original goal of breaking 10.0 on the 20" DRs.

Then late next spring see what the car really has!

This is my OP in this thread.
I guess you could say I am at the next step! LOL

 

[Mike K]

What's the next step? 5.8 with a F1R?

 

[05stroker]

What's the next step? 5.8 with a F1R?

When I'm done with this setup, (it will be a while) I have my mind set on a 6.2 with a 6r80 in my current setup. Bored and stroked of coarse.

 

[Mystickeith50]

Jesus Christ.....

 

[BruceH]

Gained 3.5 tenths with e85 3 deg less timing and the bigs and little's(9.97 vs 9.62). To be honest, I don't think the bigs and little's have much to do with it. Look at my 60 fts. The 20" NT05s hook better then the 325 MT ET Streets! So yes 3.5 tenths on e85 and 3 deg less timing. When all is said and done the 20s will go back on for a hell marry! LOL

As for the cage, when they make me or I decide to do some serious racing I guess.

You were running race gas before? E85 really responds to boost. Have you checked coolant temps and if so have they changed?

 

[05stroker]

You were running race gas before? E85 really responds to boost. Have you checked coolant temps and if so have they changed?

Yes, C16, and yes the coolant temp seem lower for the most part.

SO, glad I swapped!

Also, no more fuel swaps!

Not to mention the C16 was $15.95 a Gal and the E85 is $2.50...

 

[psfracer]

I have a 5 pt. with a 5 pt. harness and I'm not running any sanctioned events. Test and tune and street night stuff. The tracks are more worried about getting people to the track these days I think. Hell, stretch ran a 9.50 at 152 and a 9.34 at 154 mph in scrubs with a helmet with no bars and a stock seat belt this weekend! I guess it depends on the track.

Yeah at TNT stuff, with a 6 point bar, belts, proper helmet jacket, etc, you could probably get away with it, maybe, out here as your mph is "only" 141. But at any kind of race, no, not out here in CA anyway.

However, even on a TNT out here, if Stretch ran over 150 mph with not even a roll bar (let alone a cage), just a factory belt, helmet, but no fire jacket/pants, no competition license, etc, they would shit themselves and then throw him off the track immediately.

I think their reaction would be like this:

 

[05stroker]

Yeah at TNT stuff, with a 6 point bar, belts, proper helmet jacket, etc, you could probably get away with it, maybe, out here as your mph is "only" 141. But at any kind of race, no, not out here in CA anyway.

However, even on a TNT out here, if Stretch ran over 150 mph with not even a roll bar (let alone a cage), just a factory belt, helmet, but no fire jacket/pants, no competition license, etc, they would shit themselves and then throw him off the track immediately.

I think their reaction would be like this:

I thought I "only" went 143.54 mph... 141... pffft those were the old days, you know, like last week! lol

 

[psfracer]

oh 143.54 mph. treed, you got me by the ninja edit.

pretty good, you gained alot of mph from running the 20s, I guess the E85 is making a big difference in IATs?

 

[Department Of Boost]

Yes, still on 4:10s.

No, it is still pulling hard and making power. Look at the rpm, boost and speed here. This from another night , but you get the idea. Its even better now since its not pulling timing any more at the top of the run, like it was on this screen shot.

Is the boost 23.6psi (analog 2)?

What cams are you running? They are custom right? Can you share the specs (PM'ing is ok with me). I'm still on 127350's which are coming out this winter. I'm going with 127550's, 127650's or custom sticks. I need to breath up top more and have PLENTY of blower to do it. I'm trying to make a good cam decision, but I need data.

Thanks!

 

[05stroker]

oh 143.54 mph. treed, you got me by the ninja edit.

pretty good, you gained alot of mph from running the 20s, I guess the E85 is making a big difference in IATs?

E85, tune, and the third nozzle on the meth /water! I think the tire swap is upsetting the car more then anything right now. With the 26" tire in the front now there is a lot more rake. I think that is upsetting the setup to be honest. I think I need a 28" front runner to get the car back level.

Is the boost 23.6psi (analog 2)?

What cams are you running? They are custom right? Can you share the specs (PM'ing is ok with me). I'm still on 127350's which are coming out this winter. I'm going with 127550's, 127650's or custom sticks. I need to breath up top more and have PLENTY of blower to do it. I'm trying to make a good cam decision, but I need data.

Thanks!

I sold the custom cams to Fuel, I have the 127550s now. I am at 24.5 psi now with the same cams in that screen shot. That is just what was shown in that log.

 

[dysan]

Gained 3.5 tenths with e85 3 deg less timing and the bigs and little's(9.97 vs 9.62). To be honest, I don't think the bigs and little's have much to do with it. Look at my 60 fts. The 20" NT05s hook better then the 325 MT ET Streets! So yes 3.5 tenths on e85 and 3 deg less timing. When all is said and done the 20s will go back on for a hell marry! LOL

As for the cage, when they make me or I decide to do some serious racing I guess.

From my experience the Mickey ET Street Radials suck. My tire progression was initially M&H 275/50/17 (stock 17" rims) which worked great even though I was still stick shift, then switched to the 325/50/15 mickey thompson et street radials which I would spin like mad while stick shift and even after I switched to the 4R70W I would still spin them occasionally. I then put 325/50/15 M&H's on and they just plain old kicked ass and hooked like mad, now I'm trying out the Mickey Thompson 275/60/15 ET Street Radial Pro's which seem to be working well but I haven't turn the power up on these tires yet.

My recommendation is to either get the M&H 325's or the Mickey 275/60/15 Pro's....don't waste your time on the regular Mickey Et Street radials. And you can put the Mickey 275 pro's on a 10" wide rim just fine...they look like they were made for that size rim even though they aren't rated for that width rim.

 

[Department Of Boost]

We PM'd a week or so ago about your suspension setup. And I was supprised to hear what your running (because it works pretty good). I think you have a LOT of time and consistency in dialing what you have in to better suit running down the strip. Additionally where the 20’s work pretty good with your current suspension setup I don’t think that same setup is doing you any favors with the 15’s. The behavior of the 15’s is going to be a LOT different because of the sidewall size.

If this is still your current setup may I make some suggestions?

Totico D-Spec adj. shocks
Eibach Sport Line spings
BMR adj. uca
BMR lca
BMR adj. panard bar
BMR panard brace
BMR k-member
BMR tubular a-arms
BMR front and rear sway bars
BMR boxed subframe connectors

Changes/notes:

Totico D-Spec adj. shocks-Keep these and run the fronts full soft/rears full hard.


Eibach Sport Line springs-Get rid of these as fast as possible and replace with something like the CJ springs.


BMR adj. uca- Good


BMR lca- Good


BMR adj. panard bar- Good


BMR panhard brace- You don’t need this but it doesn’t hurt. The stock one works fine for going straight.

BMR k-member- Good


BMR tubular a-arms- Good


BMR front and rear sway bars- Ditch the front completely and put one of the “drag race” rear anti roll setups on.

BMR boxed subframe connectors- Good

Am I correct you have rear LCA relocation brackets? If so there is a lot of testing to make sure you have the right angle in them for your setup.

Hope that helps!

 

[crownaviation]

Yes, C16, and yes the coolant temp seem lower for the most part.

SO, glad I swapped!

Also, no more fuel swaps!

Not to mention the C16 was $15.95 a Gal and the E85 is $2.50...

Also check with your fuel vendor.. My guy that sells me race gas for other stuff also just picked up "true" e85 for me. It is cut with a leaded race gas and comes out as 85.. not 70,72 or 79 seasonally. For street tune we are just tuning on 70 as that is pretty much as low as it will get

The "true" e85 is a sunoco blend and is around $4.00/gal with my guy but does not go far lol

 

[05stroker]

From my experience the Mickey ET Street Radials suck. My tire progression was initially M&H 275/50/17 (stock 17" rims) which worked great even though I was still stick shift, then switched to the 325/50/15 mickey thompson et street radials which I would spin like mad while stick shift and even after I switched to the 4R70W I would still spin them occasionally. I then put 325/50/15 M&H's on and they just plain old kicked ass and hooked like mad, now I'm trying out the Mickey Thompson 275/60/15 ET Street Radial Pro's which seem to be working well but I haven't turn the power up on these tires yet.

My recommendation is to either get the M&H 325's or the Mickey 275/60/15 Pro's....don't waste your time on the regular Mickey Et Street radials. And you can put the Mickey 275 pro's on a 10" wide rim just fine...they look like they were made for that size rim even though they aren't rated for that width rim.

I am going to look into the Pros. I saw them on stretch's car the other day. He likes the crap out of his as well.

We PM'd a week or so ago about your suspension setup. And I was supprised to hear what your running (because it works pretty good). I think you have a LOT of time and consistency in dialing what you have in to better suit running down the strip. Additionally where the 20’s work pretty good with your current suspension setup I don’t think that same setup is doing you any favors with the 15’s. The behavior of the 15’s is going to be a LOT different because of the sidewall size.

If this is still your current setup may I make some suggestions?

Totico D-Spec adj. shocks
Eibach Sport Line spings
BMR adj. uca
BMR lca
BMR adj. panard bar
BMR panard brace
BMR k-member
BMR tubular a-arms
BMR front and rear sway bars
BMR boxed subframe connectors

Changes/notes:

Totico D-Spec adj. shocks-Keep these and run the fronts full soft/rears full hard.


Eibach Sport Line springs-Get rid of these as fast as possible and replace with something like the CJ springs.


BMR adj. uca- Good


BMR lca- Good


BMR adj. panard bar- Good


BMR panhard brace- You don’t need this but it doesn’t hurt. The stock one works fine for going straight.

BMR k-member- Good


BMR tubular a-arms- Good


BMR front and rear sway bars- Ditch the front completely and put one of the “drag race” rear anti roll setups on.

BMR boxed subframe connectors- Good

Am I correct you have rear LCA relocation brackets? If so there is a lot of testing to make sure you have the right angle in them for your setup.

Hope that helps!

The front sway bar is gone now and I have the stock rear on right now. I already have a BMR anti sway bar in the garage waiting to go on asap. As for the springs I don't want to raise the car any more then I have to. I need to look more into the CJs.

Also check with your fuel vendor.. My guy that sells me race gas for other stuff also just picked up "true" e85 for me. It is cut with a leaded race gas and comes out as 85.. not 70,72 or 79 seasonally. For street tune we are just tuning on 70 as that is pretty much as low as it will get

The "true" e85 is a sunoco blend and is around $4.00/gal with my guy but does not go far lol

So far everything I have bought has tested to 85%.

 

[Department Of Boost]

The front sway bar is gone now and I have the stock rear on right now. I already have a BMR anti sway bar in the garage waiting to go on asap.

Well get that sucker on there! It's not like you work on your car all the time or anything. (sarcasm)

As for the springs I don't want to raise the car any more then I have to.

I get ya there, my 2012 is lowered more than is probably good for it (from a performance standpoint), but it looks cool.

Those Sportlines aren't doing you any favors though. They aren't even good for going around corners. Their only value is in lowering the car.

I need to look more into the CJs.

I doubt they will sit as low as your Sportlines. Not a lot taller, but not lower for sure.

I'm sure you already know a set of decent/adjustable coilovers would get your car marching better than anything else. But of course those cost money.

Where are your D-Specs set at right now?

 

[05stroker]

Where are your D-Specs set at right now?

two turns out in the back and six turns out in the front for track use. I'm wondering if the 26 inch front runners are messing it up since the car has more rake then it does with street tires

 

[BruceH]

Also check with your fuel vendor.. My guy that sells me race gas for other stuff also just picked up "true" e85 for me. It is cut with a leaded race gas and comes out as 85.. not 70,72 or 79 seasonally. For street tune we are just tuning on 70 as that is pretty much as low as it will get

The "true" e85 is a sunoco blend and is around $4.00/gal with my guy but does not go far lol

Are you concerned about the leaded portion screwing with your sensors and plugs?

 

[05stroker]

Are you concerned about the leaded portion screwing with your sensors and plugs?

One of the reasons I wanted to get away from the leaded fuel. I will just keep an eye on the e85.